Aug 18, 2026 City Council

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AUGUST 18TH, 2026. REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCILMEMBER DEHOFF HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER PICUS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON HERE.

DEPUTY MAYOR MAITA HERE AND MAYOR VOSS HERE. DEPUTY MAYOR MAYEDA, PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND NOW, IF YOU PLEASE, JOIN US FOR OUR MOMENT OF SILENCE.

THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO FURTHER TO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT. ALAN FENSTERMACHER TURNING THE BIG FOUR ZERO. SO, ALAN. I WOULD HAVE BAKED YOU A CAKE, BUT I DIDN'T. NEXT UP, PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL THE STUFF THAT I WOULD NORMALLY READ IF WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.

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AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER PICKUS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. EDMONDSON. I, DEPUTY MAYOR MEHTA I AND MAYOR VOSS I ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU. MOVING STRAIGHT TO STAFF REPORTS. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

[8. Pre-Development Conference 26-0001, a Proposal for 42-Townhomes and Mixed-Use Development, Phase 2 of the Poway Commons Project at 13027 Poway Road, APNs 317-472-02, 317-472-38 and 317-472-39]

3174720231747238 AND 31747239. FOR THOSE OF YOU JOINING ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 14, PLEASE RAISE YOUR VIRTUAL HAND. NOW. IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE, PRESS STAR NINE NOW.

SPEAKERS WILL BE PROMPTED TO UNMUTE WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK, AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THIS IS A PREDEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE. ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM. STAFF WILL EXPLAIN THIS IN MORE DETAIL IN THEIR PRESENTATION.

DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES JULIE PROCOPIO WILL PRESENT THE ITEM ALONG WITH THE POWERPOINT. SO GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. MERIDIAN DEVELOPMENT HAS REQUESTED A PREDEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE FOR THE PROPOSED POWAY COMMONS TWO PROJECT AT 13027 POWAY ROAD WITHIN THE POWAY ROAD CORRIDOR. SPECIFIC PLAN. THE PREDEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE IS A PROCESS UNIQUE TO POWAY. IT PROVIDES THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK DIRECTLY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY. WHILE DESIGNS ARE AT A VERY CONCEPTUAL PHASE WITH A GOAL OF CREATING BETTER ALIGNMENT WITH DESIGN STANDARDS AND VISION FRAMEWORK OF THE UNDERLYING REGULATIONS FOR THE PROJECT SITE. THE PREDEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE IS ADVISORY ONLY. THE CITY HAS NOT RECEIVED A FORMAL APPLICATION, AND SO THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT ASKED TO RENDER ANY DECISION TONIGHT. SO WE'LL START WITH A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE POWAY ROAD CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN. THE PLAN WAS UPDATED AND ADOPTED IN 2017 AFTER A COLLABORATIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH PROCESS THAT INCLUDED THE CREATION OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS PREPARED BY A TEAM OF PLANNERS, DESIGNERS AND ECONOMISTS AND WAS DRIVEN BY

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THE EIR FOR THE PROJECT EVALUATED THE ADDITION OF 1148 UNITS AND 260,000FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPOSAL IS LOCATED IN THE TOWN CENTER DISTRICT OR THIS PURPLE AREA HERE ALONG POWAY ROAD BETWEEN OAK. I'M SORRY. ON ONE OF THE IDENTIFIED CATALYST CATALYTIC SITES. THIS SITE RIGHT HERE SHOWN IN PURPLE. SO POWAY COMMONS ONE WAS THE FIRST PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED UNDER THE 2017 SPECIFIC PLAN. ON MARCH 19TH, 2019, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PURCHASE, SALE AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH POWAY COMMONS LLC TO REDEVELOP AND CONSOLIDATE OWNERSHIP OF UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY AND TO SERVE AS A CATALYST FOR THE REVIVAL OF THE CITY'S TOWN CENTER AREA AND MIXED USE CORE. AS A PART OF THE AGREEMENT, THE DEVELOPER DEMOLISHED 5900 ZERO SQUARE FEET OF VACANT BUILDINGS, PREPARED THE AREA WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE AGREEMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND CONSTRUCTED 97 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, 44 AFFORDABLE SENIOR UNITS WERE ALSO DEVELOPED, ALONG WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE LIBRARY PLAZA, PASSIVE PARK AND A TRAIL CONNECTION BETWEEN POWAY ROAD AND COMMUNITY PARK. SO THE CURRENT PROJECT PROPOSES TO COMPLETE DEVELOPMENT OF THE THREE LOTS SHOWN HERE. LOCATED WEST OF CIVIC CENTER DRIVE AND ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF POWAY ROAD. MERIDIAN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CURRENT ENTERPRISE RENTAL CAR TO RELOCATE THE BUSINESS TO THE AUTOMOTIVE COMMERCIAL GENERAL LAND USE DISTRICT OF POWAY ROAD. SO SHOWN HERE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ALONG THE PROJECT SITE ALONG POWAY ROAD. YOU CAN SEE TWO. THE TWO VACANT LOTS WITH THE ENTERPRISE SITE IN BETWEEN. TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROJECT IS THE POWAY COMMONS DEVELOPMENT. TO THE WEST IS THE HERTZ RENTAL CAR, WITH A FAIRFIELD PROJECT BEHIND IT AND THEN TO THE EAST ARE EXISTING COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE BUILDINGS.

SO SHOWN HERE ARE PHOTOS OF THE PUBLIC TRAIL CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN POWAY ROAD AND COMMUNITY PARK. SO THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN SHOWS 42 TOWNHOMES. THERE IS A GREEN CART COURT SHOWN HERE, AS WELL AS A PASSIVE RECREATIONAL AREA SHOWN HERE IN GREEN. THE DASHED RED LINE SHOWS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN POWAY ROAD AND COMMUNITY PARK, WHICH IS A PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY AND IN ADDITION, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH AN INTERNAL ACCESS ROAD ACROSS THE BOTTOM HERE, WHICH FACILITATES CONNECTION TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITH FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST AND THE WEST, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE SPECIFIC PLAN CALLED FOR. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES EIGHT GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACES TOTALING 7468FT■!S AND ONE SECOND STORY OFFICE SPACE OF 1000FT■!S, SHOWN BELOW. HERE IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN FOR SIX OF THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACES, WHICH HAVE AN INTERIOR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 616FT■!S EACH. THE COMMERCIAL SPACE IS OUTLINED IN RED HERE AND IT SITS IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES FOR THE TOWNHOME UNITS ABOVE. ENTRANCES TO THE TO THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL ARE SET BACK ON EITHER SIDE OF COMMERCIAL SPACES. THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS FEATURE HIGH QUALITY DETAILING AROUND STOREFRONT ENTRANCES, INCORPORATING CANOPIES AND AMPLE GLAZING TO CULTIVATE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT.

CORNER TOWERS EFFECTIVELY FRAME THE MAIN DRIVEWAY, ESTABLISHING A MAIN STREET ESTHETIC ACROSS A

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THE PROJECT PROPOSES CEILING HEIGHTS RANGING FROM 11 TO 14FT. WHEN COMBINING THE REQUIRED 75% COMMERCIAL BLOCK FACE STANDARD AND THE 40 FOOT STOREFRONT DEPTH STANDARD, YOU CAN ARRIVE AT A TARGET FOR COMMERCIALLY SUPPORTIVE SPACE, WHICH FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS 10,050FT■!S. THE PROJECT PROPOSL PROVIDES 9558FT■!S OF COMMERCIALLY SUPPORTIVE SPACE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WHICH IS 5% UNDER THE TARGET. RECOGNIZING THE NEED TO EVOLVE WITH MARKET DEMAND, THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN ALLOWS AN ADJUSTMENT OF UP TO 50% OF COMMERCIAL SPACE STANDARDS. FOR A PROJECT THAT OFFERS A SUPERIOR DESIGN, THE PROJECT IS REQUESTING ADJUSTMENTS IN COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT STANDARDS OF BETWEEN 0 AND 21%. WHILE THE FRONT ELEVATION SHOWS HIGHLY DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. THE SIDE ELEVATION SHOWS LIMITED VARIATION IN A SETBACK AND DOESN'T DEPICT SETBACKS OR OTHER FEATURES DESIGNED TO BREAK UP THE MASS OF LARGE SCALE BUILDINGS WITH ARTICULATION OF FORM, AS REQUIRED BY THE SPECIFIC PLAN. FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS IS NEEDED TO EVALUATE THE PROJECT'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND DEMONSTRATE EQUAL ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. IN ADDITION, ELEVATIONS HAVE NOT YET BEEN DEVELOPED FOR BUILDINGS THAT DON'T FRONT POWAY ROAD. SO, AS INDICATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF HAS EARMARKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, INCLUDING IF THE PROJECT OFFERS A SUPERIOR DESIGN AS NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT STANDARD AND TIER ONE HEIGHT INCENTIVE. AND IF NOT, WHAT IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE TO SUPPORT A SUPERIOR DESIGN, WHICH COULD INCLUDE ACTIVATING THE STREET BY PROVIDING COURTYARDS, PLAZAS AND PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO INTERACT. SHOULD ADDITIONAL ARTICULATION, INCLUDING SETBACK VARIATIONS AND SETBACKS ALONG THE UPPER STORIES, BE USED TO SOFTEN THE TRANSITION TO EXISTING SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE PROJECT SITE WOULD ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY WITH OPEN SPACES AND AMENITIES INCLUDING SEATING, SHADE AND ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING HELP TO SUPPORT A SUPERIOR DESIGN? AND FINALLY, WOULD ADVANCING COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS IN THE FIRST PHASE AND DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL PARKING SUPPORT A SUPERIOR DESIGN? THE PRE

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IS THIS. THIS IS MINE. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. THANKS, JERRY. THERE WE GO AGAIN. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. AND I THINK, JULIE, YOU DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT PRESENTATION. WE REALLY APPRECIATE STAFF'S HELP ON THIS. AND I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO DUPLICATE ANY OF IT BECAUSE YOU DID SUCH A GOOD JOB. I DON'T WANT TO SCREW IT UP, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT MAYBE TO THINK BACK A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE WE STARTED IN 2015 AND 16. I KNOW THERE'S A TENDENCY TO THINK FONDLY OF THINGS IN THE PAST. I DO IT ALL THE TIME, BUT SOMETIMES THE FACTS DON'T BELIE THE THE ACTUAL CASE. SO WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THIS PROJECT OR THIS SITE IN 2015 AND 16, AND JULIE SAID IT, I THOUGHT THE NUMBER WAS 60,000FT■!S OF BUILDINGS WE TORE DOWN, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO QUIBBLE ABOUT 1000FT■!S. THIS IS THE SITE THAT WE FOUND THAT PEOPLE DROVE BY EVERY DAY. THERE WERE FIVE BOARDED UP BLIGHTED BUILDINGS. NO PUBLIC HAD ACCESS TO THEM. THEY WERE CONSTANTLY FULL OF HOMELESS AND VAGRANTS THAT THE SHERIFF WAS CHASING OUT. IT WAS A CONSTANT PROBLEM FOR SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE. THOSE BUILDINGS WERE TORN DOWN. THERE WAS A A LARGE SELF-STORAGE SITE HERE THAT WAS IN TERRIBLE RUNDOWN CONDITION AND WAS HOME TO A PRETTY ROBUST HOMELESS CAMP IN HERE. IN FACT, THE THE RESIDENTS RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY HERE WOULD SHARE WITH US THAT THEY WOULD DO THEIR LAUNDRY IN THEIR HOT TUB, AND THEY WOULD OFTEN FIND THEM BATHING THERE. SO WE WE TORE THAT DOWN AS WELL.

THERE WAS A TOW LOT RIGHT ADJACENT TO RATTLESNAKE CREEK. IT WAS AN OPEN LOT. WHERE, WHERE CARS THAT HAD BEEN TOWED WERE STORED, AND THE OIL AND DEBRIS AND POLLUTANTS RAN FREELY INTO THAT CREEK. THIS WAS NOT A PLEASANT SIGHT. PEOPLE DROVE BY IT FOR YEARS.

IT WAS BOARDED UP. IT HAD NO PUBLIC ACCESS. AND THAT'S THE SITE WE WE PURCHASED. AND THAT'S A SITE WE WE DEMOED TO BUILD. WHAT IS TODAY THE PROJECT THAT EXISTS THERE.

OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY. WE. WE WERE ASKED TO PURCHASE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AS IT TURNS OUT, IT WASN'T DEVELOPABLE OUTSIDE THE LIBRARY. IT'S. THERE'S A GIANT CULVERT UNDER IT AND IT WAS. I MEAN, THIS IS A PICTURE OF IT IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION. MOST TIMES IT WAS COVERED IN WEEDS AND I PROBABLY WOULD SAY IT'S HIGHEST AND BEST USE WAS HOLDING THE POWAY RODEO SIGN ANNUALLY. OTHER THAN THAT HAD NO PUBLIC FUNCTION. IT WAS JUST AN EYESORE ON THE COMMUNITY. HERE'S A PICTURE OF THOSE BUILDINGS. OF COURSE, WE'RE ALL FONDLY REMEMBER OLD POW TV, BUT THAT HAD LONG SINCE GONE. THE DENTIST'S OFFICE HAD HAD HAD SOME DISREPAIR TO IT AND THE DENTIST HAD MOVED OUT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING IN THE BACK AND THEN THE MINI STORAGE FURTHER BACK THAT FROM THAT. AND THEN HERE'S THE PROJECT WE STARTED IN 2020 AND THEN CLOSED OUT IN ABOUT 2023, LATE 2023, WHICH WAS A MASTER PLAN, IN ESSENCE, A THREE COMPONENT MASTER PLAN. IT WAS MADE UP OF 97 FOR SALE CONDOMINIUM UNITS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE SITE ADJACENT TO THE CREEK, A SMALL COMPONENT TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE. A 44 UNIT AFFORDABLE BUILDING WHICH IS FOR SENIORS AND VETERANS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THIS MIXED USE SITE ALONG THE FRONT. I. AND AGAIN, HERE'S JUST THE THINGS WE DID RIGHT? WE. WE TORE DOWN THE BLIGHTED AREA. WE CONSTRUCTED THE TOWN CENTER, PLAZA PARK. WE RELANDSCAPED THE

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IT SERVES THE COMMUNITY OF POWAY. THEY'VE BEEN TERRIBLY SUCCESSFUL. WE THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. WE THINK IT'S AN AMENITY TO THE CITY. AND AGAIN, IT'S THE ONE AND ONLY IN POWAY TODAY, THE COMMUNITY PARK, THE TOWN CENTER PARK. THIS IS THAT THIS IS THAT WEEDED LOT. THIS IS NOT A PROJECT SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENT. WE OBLIGATED OURSELVES IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, BUT THIS IS NOT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THIS IS FOR THE COMMUNITY OF POWAY. THIS COSTS $1 MILLION TO BUILD. WE DIDN'T SEEK, NOR DID WE GET A REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT FROM ANY OTHER BUILDER. NO BUILDER PARTICIPATED WITH US. THERE WAS NO COST SHARING. OUR PROJECT DID THIS FOR FOR THE CITY, AS AN AMENITY, AS A MASTER PLAN OF MANY. AND WE FRONTLOADED IT. WE DID IT DAY ONE. WE DIDN'T DO IT THE LAST. WE DIDN'T SAVE IT FOR THE MIXED USE. WE DID IT UP FRONT. ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE AGAIN, THE MASTER PLAN. WE FRONT LOADED ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG THE LENGTH OF OUR PROJECT. WE TORE OUT ALL THE CURB, ALL THE GUTTER AND ALL THE SIDEWALK, AND WE REPLACED IT. ALL OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WERE FOR SIX FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS. WE WENT TO THE CITY, WE WENT TO STAFF. WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF THIS NEW URBANISM KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN SIX FEET IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO ENGAGE PEDESTRIANS. WE WANT TO DO EIGHT FEET. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE CAME UP WITH A DESIGN STANDARD. WE WORKED WITH STAFF. WE POURED EXAMPLES OF DIFFERENT KIND OF SIDEWALKS ON A VACANT LOT SO THEY COULD COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT. AND, AND THE CITY ADOPTED ONE. AND HOPEFULLY THAT BECOMES THE URBAN STANDARD FOR THE CITY. IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PATTERN TO DUPLICATE. AND THAT'S WHY WE WE CHOSE IT. AND THAT'S WHY THE CITY CHOSE IT. WE INSTALLED FOUR STREETLIGHTS. AGAIN, NO REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT. THESE ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF OTHER DEVELOPMENT ALONG POWAY ROAD WILL BENEFIT FROM THAT STREET BEING LIT IN IN BETTER FASHION. BUT WE DIDN'T SEEK REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, NOR DID WE GET ANY HELP. WE FRONT LOADED ALL THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. OH, WHAT DID I DO? RIGHT? THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT, TWO BUS STOPS, TWO TRANSIT STOPS AGAIN, NO REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT, NO HELP FROM ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S GOING TO UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES. WE BUILT A MEDIAN SIGN, A DIRECTIONAL MEDIAN SIGN, NOT PROJECT SPECIFIC. IN FACT, IT DOESN'T MENTION OUR PROJECT AT ALL. AND WE PAVED THE FULL WIDTH OF TESCHEN. WHY AM I POINTING THAT OUT? YOU KNOW, WE DID PUT A STORM DRAIN DOWN THE WEST SIDE OF TARASCAN. OUR OBLIGATION WAS TO PAVE THE PATCH. THAT WAS OUR OBLIGATION. THAT'S THE CITY STANDARD. AND WHAT I SAID TO OUR FOLKS IS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE THIS PLACE WORSE THAN WE FOUND IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE REASON PEOPLE COME AND SAY, MY, MY STREET LOOKS SCREWED UP BECAUSE THERE'S A PATCH IN THE MIDDLE. SO WE PAVED THE FULL WIDTH OF THAT STREET. AND I TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU GUYS TOOK A CHANCE ON US IN PICKING US AS A PREFERRED DEVELOPER. AND, AND I WANTED TO RESTORE OR, OR TO AUGMENT YOUR FAITH IN THAT DECISION. AND SO WE TRY TO DO THINGS RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WE TRY TO LEAVE THINGS BETTER THAN WHICH WE FOUND IT. I DON'T THINK IT'S ARGUABLE RELATIVE TO THIS SITE THAT YOU CAN SAY YES TO THAT QUESTION. IT'S BETTER TODAY THAN IT WAS IN 2015. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I KNOW THIS IS A BIG TOPIC IN THE CITY. WE CERTAINLY FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE OUR SHARE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IN OUR PROJECT INCLUSIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL, WHICH OF COURSE IS NOT APPROVED, WE DELIVER 32% AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I THINK YOU WOULD BE PRETTY FAIRLY CHALLENGED TO FIND ANY OTHER DEVELOPER

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SO IF YOU COULD PRIORITIZE ONE ACQUISITION, WE WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON ENTERPRISE. AND I'VE BEEN CHASING THEM EVER SINCE. NOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS, A YEAR AGO, THEREABOUTS, WE GOT THEM INTO ESCROW AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CLOSE IN NOVEMBER, FEBRUARY ISH, AT LEAST FOR THE PROPERTY.

WE'RE STILL NEGOTIATING WITH ENTERPRISE. THEY STILL HOLD. AT LEAST WE DON'T HAVE A LEASE TERMINATION AS OF YET, SUBJECT TO, AS JULIE MENTIONED, FINDING THEM ANOTHER SITE. BUT AGAIN, THIS WAS AN OBLIGATION WE TOOK ON FREELY AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY TO FOCUS ON ENTERPRISE.

AND IT'S IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN MAKING THEM OFFERS LITERALLY SINCE 2018. SO IT'S EIGHT YEARS. RIGHT. AND FINALLY GOT LUCKY LAST YEAR. ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA I WANT TO SHOW THIS. YOU GUYS CAN SEE THIS. OKAY. I WANT TO SHOW THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN WE SUBMITTED. WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK WE DO. WE THINK WHEN WE SUBMIT A PLAN, IT'S THE RIGHT PLAN. WE THINK IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT. WE THINK IT'S WELL CRAFTED. WE HIRE GREAT ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS AND CONSULTANTS, AND WE TEND TO COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN WE FEEL IS RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND DESIRABLE AND MARKETABLE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH THIS ORIGINAL PLAN. THE DISTINCTION IS, IF YOU CAN SEE THE LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THESE SIX LITTLE COMMERCIAL INCUBATOR SPACES, THEY WERE DESIGNED TO BE LIVE WORK UNITS.

THEY WERE DESIGNED IN THIS PLAN TO BE OWNED BY THE UNIT THAT SAT ON TOP OF THEM. THERE WOULD BE A LOCKABLE DOOR. YOU GUYS HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN THE LIVE WORK UNITS, RIGHT? YOU KNOW THE CONCEPT. AND THEY WOULD BE SOLD WITH THOSE UNITS AND THAT PERSON WOULD OPERATE AS A BUSINESS. THEY'D OPERATE AS AN OFFICE. AND THAT'S THE PLAN THAT WE CAME FORWARD WITH TO STAFF. STAFF PUSH BACK ON US AND SAID, REALLY, THE COMMUNITY IS NOT LIKING THE LIVE WORK CONCEPT. WHAT THEY REALLY WANT IS MORE COMMERCIAL, AND WE THINK THIS LIVE WORK COULD BE COULD BE MORPHED INTO, INTO JUST LIVING SPACE. AND IT'S HARD TO CONTROL. WE LISTEN TO

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THOSE CAN REMAIN AS RESIDENTIAL GUEST SPACES. AND WE STILL HAVE AMPLE PARKING WITH THE 47. AS GUY MENTIONED, ALL THE STREET FRONTAGE AND OFF SITE IS PREDOMINANTLY COMPLETED, AND THE UNITS WE HAVE ARE BRINGING THREE STORY TOWNS THAT ARE 42 IN TOTAL, 12 OF WHICH RESIDE ALONG POWAY ROAD, 30 INTERIOR UNITS ALL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES, AND THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 1700FT■!S OF LIVING SPACE. SO HERE'S THE SITE PLAN. WE'LL SPEND A LITTLE TIME HERE.

THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. I WON'T TAKE YOU THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS, BUT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT UP ON THE TOP THERE IS OUR POWAY ROAD FRONTAGE, AND WE'VE INCLUDED, ALONG WITH THE TOTAL COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE INTERIOR. YOU CAN SEE, AS JULIA MENTIONED, THE INTERIOR SPACE OF THE THE PINK SPACE IS THERE. OKAY. AS GUY MENTIONED, WE'VE COMBINED THESE TWO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY LIVE WORK INTO ONE SPACE, A 28 BY 22 SPACE WITH A TEN FOOT PATIO IN FRONT. AND OUR GOAL OR INTENTION HERE IS FOR THAT SPACE TO BE OWNED BY SEPARATE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL OWNER, CREATE AN ACTUAL COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT CAN BE PURCHASED BY COMMERCIAL USER, BY A COMMERCIAL INVESTOR. SOMEONE WHO HAS A PORTFOLIO OF COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS THAT THEY CAN PROFESSIONALLY MANAGE. THEY CAN PROFESSIONALLY MARKET AND LEASE UP. SO IN THEORY, WHAT WE HOPE IS SOMEONE MIGHT PURCHASE ALL THE COMMERCIAL TOGETHER AND BE ONE SINGLE OWNERSHIP, WHICH WOULD GIVE US AND THE CITY THE BEST CHANCE FOR THIS TO BE LEASED UP AND BE SUCCESSFUL. SO BY COMBINING THOSE AND KEEPING THEM SEPARATE OWNERSHIP, WE WE GIVE IT THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND THE RESIDENTIAL WILL BE SEPARATE. IN ADDITION, YOU CAN SEE THE LARGER SPACES HERE. HERE WE. FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN, WE CREATED A TWO STORY BUILDING.

HERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WE'VE GOT 1656 OF SQUARE FOOT AND THEN SECOND. SECOND FLOOR IS 1000FT■!S, WHICH WE PROPOSE AS OFFICE HERE. BUT THEORETICALLY IT COULD BE A MEZZANINE SPACE FOR THE LOWER USAGE. SAY FOR EXAMPLE, A RESTAURANT WOULD WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE A SECOND FLOOR OF SEATING OR WHATNOT. YOU CAN ENVISION THE VOLUME IN THERE. SO THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE. AND THEN OVER HERE IS OUR LARGEST SINGLE SPACE AT 2116, WHICH AGAIN, WE THINK WOULD SERVE VERY WELL AS A RESTAURANT TYPE SPACE. THERE. YOU CAN SEE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT A VARIETY ABUNDANCE OF PARKING HERE, WHICH AGAIN CONTRIBUTES TO THE SUCCESS OF THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND AGAIN, SEPARATE FROM WHAT WOULD BE 21 GUEST SPACES OUT OF THE 42 RESIDENTIAL, THE UNITS HERE RESIDE ON SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU HOW THEY LAY OUT IN THE COMING SLIDES. AND THEN DOWN BELOW YOU SEE OUR THREE STORY TOWNHOME PRODUCT HERE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY GARAGE ON THE FIRST LIVING SPACE ON THE SECOND, BEDROOMS ON THE THIRD, VERY MUCH LIKE THE THREE STORY LIVE WORK TOWN BUILDING THAT YOU SEE

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MOST OF THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE THREE BEDROOM. THERE MAY BE SOME TWO TWO BEDROOM UNITS ON THE INTERIORS OF THE BUILDING THAT FIND THEIR WAY IN THERE. BUT MOSTLY WE'RE THINKING THREE BEDROOM WITH TWO CAR GARAGE. SO THIS IS THE TABLE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER TO, TO SHOW CONFORMANCE TO THE POWER ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH JULIE WENT THROUGH IN DETAIL.

BUT JUST TO JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW MUCH DETAIL WE WENT IN TO TRY TO ILLUSTRATE ALL THE PARKING CALCULATIONS, THE CEILING HEIGHTS, THE STOREFRONT, AND ALL THE SETBACKS ARE HERE, AND REFERENCING THE SLIDES THAT SHOW WHERE WE COMPLY. AND HERE IT IS TODAY. SO WITH THAT, WE CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. WE CAN ANSWER SOME. NOW WE CAN WAIT TILL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. WHATEVER YOUR DIRECTION AND OR PREFERENCE. THANK YOU. I THINK WE DO HAVE A COUPLE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN RELAX FOR A LITTLE BIT. OKAY.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO COUNCIL, I'M SURE WE WILL CALL YOU BACK UP. WE HAVE LISA DUMONT. WE HAVE PHONE PEOPLE. WELCOME. WELL GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LISA. I'M WITH DISTRICT THREE.

AND LISA, COULD YOU PULL THAT MICROPHONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT? SO THERE YOU GO. PERFECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO SEE THIS SITE COMPLETED. AND I THINK THE STAFF REPORT WAS VERY

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WHAT IT DOES SHOW IS A LANDSCAPED ROUTE RUNNING ALONGSIDE PARKING, NOT A DEMONSTRATED 12 FOOT CLEARANCE. AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS TONIGHT, BUT I AM ASKING THAT THAT IT BE MEASURED BEFORE FINDING, BEFORE A FINDING REST ON IT. AND THEN MY SECOND CONCERN IS THE RECORD ITSELF. AND I WON'T TAKE TIME REPEATING THE PROBLEMS WHICH THE STAFF POINTED OUT THEY DID MAKE. THEY DID A GREAT JOB IN RECOMMENDING FIXES SUCH AS SETBACKS FOR THE PLAZA, ROOF LINE BREAKS, TRANSITIONAL MASSING. HOWEVER, THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND. THEY'RE NOT. CONDITIONS AND I'LL HOPE. I HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE YOU MIGHT CONSIDER MAKING THOSE CONDITIONS. ALSO, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ELEVATIONS PREPARED FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT DON'T FRONT POWAY ROAD. HOWEVER, THE FINDINGS. HOWEVER, THAT FINDING UNLOCKS THE HEIGHT INCENTIVE AND THE COMMERCIAL ADJUSTMENTS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE SHOULD BE GRANTED ON A PARTIAL DESIGN AND. PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, I FILED COMMENTS AND I MADE SIX REQUESTS. THEY'RE ONLINE. AND PLEASE DON'T MAKE A SUPERIOR DESIGN FINDING UNTIL THE RECORD IS COMPLETE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. WE HAVE THREE ONLINE SPEAKERS. FIRST ONE, CHRIS CRUZ. GOOD EVENING. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. THE FIRST QUESTION IS, DID MERIDIAN PAY BACK THE 1.7 MILLION LOAN? AND I'LL NOTE THAT IT SEEMS THAT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE THE CITY FOR THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN SEEMS TO BE GRANTED A DEDUCTION IN THEIR COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. FOR EXAMPLE, MERIDIAN SIGNED AN AGREEMENT TO BUILD A 2500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL USES, AND THEY JUST BASICALLY BAILED ON THIS AGREEMENT. THE OUTPOST GOT A 2500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT DEDUCTION WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVED THEIR BONUS DENSITY PLAN. FAIRFIELD'S PHASE TWO HAS ZERO COMMERCIAL COMPONENT, AND THEY'RE COUNTING PUBLIC SPACE THAT IS NOT LABELED AS COMMERCIAL SPACE ON THEIR TRACK MAP TO JUSTIFY THAT. AND INTERCOURE HOMES JUST GOT A 50% REDUCTION IN COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. IN ADDITION TO COUNTING A COURTYARD AS WALK IN COMMERCIAL SPACE. SO NOW MERIDIAN WANTS TO FORGET ABOUT THEIR PREVIOUS CONTRACT AND START OVER LIKE THEY'RE DOING A NEW PROJECT AND THEY WANT A 50% REDUCTION IN COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND THEY WANT TO CLAIM COURTYARDS ARE COMMERCIAL SPACE, JUST LIKE INTRACORP DID. HOW DOES THE CUMULATIVE EFFECT OF ALL OF THESE COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE DEDUCTIONS AFFECT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WILL EVER BE A REAL TOWN CENTER HERE, AS DESCRIBED BY THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN? MY THIRD QUESTION IS WHY HAS THE REPORT ON CHANGES TO THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN BEEN DELAYED FOR 15 MONTHS? THIS IS PROVIDING THIS DEVELOPER AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND GET A PROJECT STARTED THAT THEY WON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY ANY POSSIBLE CHANGES, LIKE INCREASES IN SETBACKS AND DECREASES IN HEIGHT. AND WHY HAS THE IN LIEU FEE SEEM TO ALSO BE DELAYED, WHICH WILL

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I KNOW THAT IN HARMON RANCH THEY PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD, AND I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY TRAIL IS ONCE AGAIN BEING DESIGNED AS BEING ADJACENT TO A ROAD AND HAVE HAVING BEEN INTERSECTED BY SEVERAL ROADS THAT ARE CROSSING IT. SO I'M WONDERING WHY THE COMMUNITY TRAIL IS NOT A REAL COMMUNITY TRAIL AS DEFINED IN OUR GENERAL PLAN. THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER ON LINE IS KATHLEEN LIPPERT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I THINK I NEED TO MUTE MY PHONE, MY APOLOGIES.

ECHOING. AS A PUBLIC HEALTH RESEARCHER AND CONSULTANT, I'D LIKE TO OFFER THAT ADOPTING A SMOKE FREE POLICY FOR YOUR FOR THIS MIXED USE PRODUCT WOULD BENEFIT ALL THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK THERE. SMOKE FREE POLICIES FOR BOTH TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA PROTECT CHILDREN AND ADULTS FROM SECOND AND THIRD HAND RISKS. SMOKE EXPOSURES TRAVEL THROUGH BUILDINGS, DOORS, WINDOWS, HALLWAYS, VENTILATION SYSTEMS AND. THE ONLY FULLY PROTECTIVE STRATEGY IS A COMPLETE SMOKE FREE POLICY. SURVEYS OF RESIDENTS INDICATE THAT 90% OF ADULTS IN CALIFORNIA DON'T SMOKE, AND 87% OF MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTS DON'T SMOKE. 70% OF THOSE SURVEYED REPORTED THEY PREFER THEIR COMMUNITY TO BE SMOKE AND VAPE FREE. SMOKE IS SMOKE, AND BOTH TOBACCO AND MARIJUANA IMPAIR BLOOD VESSEL FUNCTIONS, AND PEOPLE SHOULD AVOID BOTH. LOW LOWER INCOME POPULATIONS ARE OFTEN LESS LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN SMOKE FREE PROJECTS.

EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION, DESERVES TO BREATHE FREE. SMOKE FREE AIR.

OFTEN, PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE ALSO THAT VAPING IS IS HARMFUL TO HEALTH DUE TO ITS VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS, ULTRAFINE PARTICLES, AND HEAVY METALS LIKE NICKEL, TIN, LEAD, DIACETYL, AND CHEMICALS LINKED TO SERIOUS LUNG DISEASE. ADDITIONALLY, THESE DEVICES ARE MAINLY SINGLE USE DEVICES AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO BE RECYCLED. MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS REPORT THAT THESE DEVICES ARE FOUND OFTEN, WITH MANY AND INCREASING AN INCREASING NUMBER OF HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T PERCEIVE THEM TO BE AS DANGEROUS. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. THAT'S ALL.

FINAL SPEAKER IS ONLINE ALSO, AND IT'S MICHAEL YEE. HELLO AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. I'M SICK TODAY AND I, I TOOK AWAY SOME THINGS. I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THE INCLUSION OF THE INTERIOR ACCESS AND THE PUBLIC ACCESS RUNNING EAST WEST. AND JUST PURELY FROM THE CONCERN OF IF PROVIDING ACCESS FOR OTHER RESIDENTS ALONG POWAY ROAD, ESPECIALLY THE FAIRFIELD. IT LOOKS LIKE THE OPTION FOR THAT. ACCESS TO GET TO COMMUNITY PARK HAS BEEN BUILT IN. IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME EXACTLY HOW THEY WOULD REACH COMMUNITY PARK FROM NOT ONLY WELL, FROM FROM THIS SITE, IT'S CLEAR HEADING SOUTH, BUT TO ACTUALLY GET TO COMMUNITY PARK IN A MORE DIRECT WAY IS NOT CLEAR. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR STAFF TO MAKE THAT MORE VISIBLE. I DID LIKE THE POINT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SPACE OR SORRY, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE BEING COMBINABLE AND BEING MORE FLEXIBLE. IT'S MAYBE UNCLEAR IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT MULTIPLE SPACES HOW THEY COULD COMBINE THOSE. I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE CHANGING COMMERCIAL NEEDS, AND WE'LL LEAVE IT TO, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF AND OTHER PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT IS VIABLE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF COURTYARD SPACE THERE, IT'S IT SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHO REALLY WANTS TO SIT ALONG HIGHWAY ROAD FOR THE OPEN SPACE. SO IF THAT COULD BE AGGREGATED ALONG THAT ACCESS ROAD, IF THAT'S TERRA SCAN AND TO MAKE A MORE PLEASANT SPACE. AND I WAS WALKING AROUND ONE PASEO AND

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THIS IS THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SORT OF BECOME THE THE PLACE THAT MAKES IT A THERE. AND SO I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT. ONE THING I THINK WE COULD DO, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AT LEAST, AND TO PEOPLE I SPEAK WITH, IS THE ARTICULATION. SO WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES FEELING A LITTLE BIT BOXED IN, THE WAY YOU GET AROUND THAT IS THROUGH, I THINK, BUILDING ARTICULATION. SO YOU HAVE SOME GOOD SIGHT LINES. AND AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, SOME OF THAT ARTICULATION MAY NOT BE AS EXTENSIVE AS I THINK IT COULD BE, PARTICULARLY ON THE FRONT AND ESPECIALLY ON THE SIDES. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SCENARIO WHERE YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THIS CANYON YOU HAVE TO WALK DOWN, I'M SORRY, ON THE SIDES. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO SEE DEFINITELY SOME MORE OF THAT IF POSSIBLE. AND I THINK SOME OF THAT COULD BE ENHANCED BY, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HAVING LITTLE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO, TO SIT ON SOME OF THESE SIDE PATHS. IT CAN ALSO POTENTIALLY SEPARATE PEOPLE FROM THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT ALONG THAT TRAIL. SO THAT'S, I THINK, SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE IN ANY PROJECT THAT COMES FORWARD, YOU KNOW, TO US, LET'S SEE. I DID GET YOUR EMAIL, MICHAEL, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO MICHAEL WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS SORT OF ALTERNATIVE ROUTE PATHWAY OR ALTERNATIVE PATHWAYS PEOPLE CAN TAKE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE ALONG POWAY ROAD. AND I SEE THAT IN THE BACK OF THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN. IS THAT BEING CONTEMPLATED OR, OR SORT OF THE FRONT OF YOUR GUYS'S MIND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BEYOND THIS SITE TO EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO FAIRFIELD? SORRY, I TURN MY MIC OFF. YES. SO THE FAIRFIELD PROJECT CONTEMPLATED AN EAST WEST CONNECTION AND AN ACCESS ROAD. AND THIS PROJECT YOU SEE AT THE SOUTHERLY SIDE CONTEMPLATES THAT. SO AND IT'S ALONG THE SAME ALIGNMENT. SO THE GOAL IS THAT WHEN PROPERTIES REDEVELOP ON EITHER SIDE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CREATE THIS FULL EAST WEST PATHWAY THAT PROVIDES OPTIONS FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PULL OUT ONTO POWAY ROAD AND KIND OF LIMIT THE LIMIT, THE AMOUNT OF IN AND OUT PEOPLE NEED TO DO. SO. THAT IS A PART OF THE PART OF THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. IT WAS IT WAS A PART OF THE FAIRFIELD PLAN AS WELL. AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN THE ADJACENT SITES REDEVELOP, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT AS WELL. ACTUALLY, ANOTHER LITTLE QUESTION ABOUT THE ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. DOES IT PRECLUDE HAVING LIKE ROOFTOP DINING OR

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WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE IS POTENTIALLY TWO RESTAURANTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD IN THE MIDDLE, AND A LOT OF LITTLE, LITTLE PLACES. IT I, I CAN SEE HOW THIS WOULD WORK REALLY WELL IN A STANDARD MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT. AND THERE'S A LARGE CHUNK OF POWAY ROAD AT LEAST STRIKES ME AS IN OTHER PLACES AS HAVING MIXED USE, MIXED USE USES, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT THESE SORT OF SMALLER, MORE DIVERSE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL PLACES. BUT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO SORT OF BE A PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE AN ACTIVATION OF PEOPLE, SOME VIBRANCY. AND I'M WONDERING IF SOME OF THESE CAN BE COMBINED, MAYBE NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT HAVE SOME, SOME DIFFERENCES THERE. SO YOU COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE RESTAURANTS AND MAYBE A MID-SIZE RESTAURANT OR A CAFE. I'M NOT SURE THESE AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW WOULD WOULD DO THAT.

BUT IF THERE WERE SOME OPTIONS IN THAT SPACE, I THINK IT WOULD IT WOULD, I THINK, HELP PEOPLE LOOK AT THE PLACE AND SAY MORE SO THAT, YES, I'D LIKE TO GO THERE BECAUSE IT HAS THESE THESE SORT OF DIFFERENT THINGS VERSUS A SERIES OF, YOU KNOW, SIMILARLY LOOKING, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS. LET'S SEE. I GOT THE ROOFTOP DINING. THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM ONE OF THE CALLERS ABOUT A DIFFERENT PROJECT. IT WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT BONUS DENSITY AND THE LOSS OF COMMERCIAL. IT'S MORE TO. ALAN. I THINK IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A DENSITY BONUS PROJECT, CAN THEY BASICALLY ELIMINATE COMMERCIAL SPACE AS ONE OF THEIR, THEIR, THEIR SORT OF REQUIREMENTS TO GET AROUND SOME OF THE RULES? SHORT ANSWER IS YES. I MEAN, IT DEPENDS, BUT VERY LIKELY YES. OKAY. SO WHEN I THINK ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS, I THINK THAT WAS WHAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE WAS REFERRING TO. WHEN SOMEBODY GOES BONUS DENSITY, THEN YOU CAN LOSE COMMERCIAL SPACE. SO HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THAT. THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THE STUFF YOU SEE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD HERE FROM LISA AND FROM MICHAEL. THEY REALLY CAPTURE A LOT OF WHAT I THINK WE WE NEED TO SEE BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PLAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN I LOOK AT TABLE AND I RECOGNIZE IT'S NOT A FULLY FLESHED OUT PLAN WHEN I LOOK AT THE TABLE FOR IN THIS, I SEE SOME NO'S IN THAT FOR IT NOT CONFORMING, I NEED TO SEE YESES FOR EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO RESPECT THE, THE WILL OF THE, THE AD HOC, SORRY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE AD HOC PLANNING COMMISSION, BECAUSE THEY SPENT A REALLY LONG TIME AND A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT IN PUTTING THIS PLAN TOGETHER. AND THEY MADE A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT WERE TRADE OFFS, YOU KNOW, THIS FOR THAT. AND ACTUALLY, I HOPE EVERYONE REALIZES WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SAW THESE PRESENTATIONS, THEY WERE INCREDIBLY DETAILED AND YOU SAW, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THIS HIGH, THIS WAS THAT HEIGHT.

THERE'S THIS BIG TABLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEVELOPER PUT FORTH ABOUT WHAT THE VARIOUS METRICS THEY THINK THEY'RE MEETING. SO JUST TO SORT OF GET THAT TAKE HOME MESSAGE THAT EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS COMPLEX. BUT THE PIRATES SPECIFIC PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY LOOKED AT THESE IN GREAT DETAIL AND CAME UP WITH THIS. SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE AS A COUNCIL, FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY SPEND THAT KIND OF EFFORT AND PUT FORTH A PLAN. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PETER. COUNCIL MEMBER. PIKUS. AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO FOLLOW PETER, WHO FOLLOWED LISA IN. MICHAEL.

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AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT TEN FEET MIGHT BE A LITTLE NARROW, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT SIDE ARTICULATION. IT MIGHT FEEL CANYON LIKE THERE TOO. SO WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. AND THEN MICHAEL YEE TALKED ABOUT BIKE ACCESS. AND I REMEMBER, I THINK YOU GUYS TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR WHEN YOU WERE JUST STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THIS ON YOUR FIRST REVISION. AND YES, THERE'S THAT LANE WAY IN THE BACK OF THE PROJECT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO CONNECT THROUGH. AND RIGHT NOW IT RUNS INTO, AGAIN, THE PROFESSIONAL BUILDING PARKING LOT AND THE HERTZ PARKING LOT. I'M HOPING THAT YOU PUT BOLLARDS THERE INSTEAD OF JUST FENCING IT OFF SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN WALK, YOU KNOW, RIDE THEIR BIKE THROUGH THAT BACK THING AND GET INTO COMMUNITY PARK FROM FAIRFIELD. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE, YEAH, BEST NOT TO GO ON BIKE ON POWAY ROAD IF YOU CAN HELP IT. AND LISA ALSO MADE THE POINT IS THAT THE COMMERCIAL SPACES SHOULD BE DELIVERED. MOVE IN READY. AND I THINK THE CITY HAS LEARNED THEIR LESSON ON THAT ONE. AND INTERCORP AGAIN, LAST MONTH THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE FULL BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, SLABS, PLUMBING, GREASE TRAPS AND EVERYTHING. AND SO I SUSPECT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO THAT HERE TOO. LET'S SEE. I'M GOING TO FINISH UP REAL QUICK. I WAS GOING TO ASK JULIA, JULIE, SORRY, WHAT'S THE STORY WITH HERTZ? ARE THEY THINKING OF MOVING OR ARE THEY STUCK THERE FOREVER OR WHAT? SO I THINK THAT GUY ASARO COULD TELL YOU MORE. I KNOW THAT THEY'VE MADE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS TO TO PURCHASE AND RELOCATE THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE HIM TO TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN BEEN SOME ATTEMPTS TO PURCHASE AND THAT WE HAD THAT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. SO CERTAINLY IF THEY'RE READY TO RELOCATE TO THE AUTOMOTIVE GENERAL COMMERCIAL SECTION, WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP THEM FIND A SITE THAT WOULD WOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH WITH WHAT THEIR USE IS. BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS HIS EFFORTS AROUND THAT? TO CLARIFY, I HEARD YOU MENTIONED HERTZ. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT HERTZ AND JULIE? I THINK YOU'RE ASKING MORE ABOUT ENTERPRISE. OH, ENTERPRISE IS SORTED OUT. OKAY. SO HERTZ, I KNOW YOU'VE ALSO TRIED TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY AS WELL, I THINK. SO I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT. IT'S THE ONE BETWEEN FAIRFIELD AND THIS ONE. YEAH.

YEAH. FRANKLY, NOT AS MUCH AS ENTERPRISE. I WAS TOLD TO PRIORITIZE ENTERPRISE AND THAT'S WHAT I DID. WE DID TALK TO HERTZ EARLY ON. IT WAS IT'S OWNED BY A NORWEGIAN GUY WHO OWNS A LOT ACROSS THE STREET, THE FIREWOOD LOT, PROBABLY NOT A SELLER TO US AT OUR DENSITY AT 17 DOES AN ACRE. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH REVENUE TO MEET HIS HIS DESIRES. SO. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HERTZ IS DOING THE DOING MUCH BUSINESS. BUT YEAH, I CAN

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SO GIVE THAT A THINK. AND FINALLY, I WANT TO ADDRESS EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING ON TV AND THOSE WHO MAY WATCH THIS LATER ON THE ARCHIVES OR EVEN IN THE PAPER NEXT WEEK, IS THAT THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO LET US KNOW OR TO PROVIDE INPUT TO THIS PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A CONCERNS OR IDEAS OR THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT US OR CONTACT MERIDIAN AND LET US KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS THE STAGE WHERE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE SOMETHING IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT SOMETHING. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OR A CONCERN, THIS IS THE TIME. SO AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THIS COUNCIL MEMBER. EDMONDSON OKAY, SO I WANT TO ECHO THAT COMMENT. THIS THIS IS THE TIME TO TO PROVIDE THE INPUT. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM US. AND THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO DO IT. AND I'M GLAD APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE THAT THAT WROTE AND SPOKE OUT. AND WE MAY HEAR FROM THEM SOME MORE PEOPLE AFTERWARDS, BUT THANK YOU FOR ENGAGING. THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. I ALSO WANT TO THANK MERIDIAN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE IN THE CITY SO FAR. YOU ARE NOW A KNOWN QUANTITY, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING A CHANCE NECESSARILY WITH YOU. WE KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE. AND SO THAT MAKES THIS CONVERSATION A LITTLE EASIER. SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS IN JUST SOME CHUNKS. THE RESIDENTIAL PART, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT I LIKE AND WHERE I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. THE TWO CAR GARAGE LOVE IT. I KNOW WE ARE JUST TRYING AS A SOCIETY TO GET RID OF CARS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND SO I THINK TWO CARS IS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE BEDROOM UNITS. MY QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED MAYBE DOING SOME TWO BEDROOM A COMMONS. YOU HAVE TWO AND FOUR ALSO. SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS THAT HOW YOU LANDED ON THE THREE BEDROOM. AND JUST CURIOUS, THE MARKET'S DRIVING THAT OR WHAT. WE FOUND IN OUR PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT THAT THE MARKET WAS DRIVING TOWARDS THREE OR MORE. OKAY, CERTAINLY WE WON'T HAVE ANY FOUR BEDROOMS HERE. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM FOR THAT.

RIGHT. I MENTIONED MAYBE ON THE TWO BEDROOM BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FULLY DETERMINED THE CONFIGURATION OF THE INTERIOR REAR UNITS. AND OFTENTIMES IT'S A BENEFIT TO HAVE A LOWER PRICE POINT SO THAT YOU CAN OFFER MORE TO THE BUYING PUBLIC, WHICH COULD RESULT IN SOME TWO BEDROOMS. BUT THEORETICALLY, WITH THE ROOM WE HAVE IN THESE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, WE COULD WE COULD DO THREE ON MOST OR ALL ESSENTIALLY. SO MARK MARKET DRIVEN IN LARGE PART. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I DO THINK THAT THE AFFORDABILITY WE WANT TO USE THAT WORD IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND WITH THE TWO BEDROOM. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF MAYBE MISSING SOME OF THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH MARKET RATE UNITS IN POWAY. AND SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER HOW THAT COULD BE WORKED INTO THE PLAN. I DO APPRECIATE THE LOWER DENSITY THAN ALLOWED. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I DID NOT HEAR ANY AMENITIES IN THE RESIDENTIAL PART, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A CONSCIOUS DECISION. DECISION REALLY NO AMENITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS.

REALLY. SORRY I MISSED EVERYTHING YOU SAID. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE ON RECORD.

COMMUNITY AMENITIES? YEAH, FOR THE RESIDENTS. FOR THE RESIDENTS. FOR THE MOST PART, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME PASSIVE AREAS OF REC, BUT WE'RE RELYING HEAVILY ON THE COMMUNITY PARK AS THE REAL AMENITY TO THE AREA. OKAY. SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ARCHITECTURAL. I'M MOVING ON. I LIKE THE VARIATION IN THE SETBACKS, THE SETBACKS, THEIR ARTICULATIONS. I LIKE THE DECK SPACE. WE LIVE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. IF PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THE FRESH AIR AND OUTSIDE, I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A WIN FOR EVERYONE. SO I LIKE THAT IN THE DESIGN. SO I HAVE A QUESTION

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YOU KNOW, APOLLO IS RIGHT ON THE ROAD AND PEOPLE DON'T THEY, THEY DON'T LIKE THAT. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM. CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME PLAY. YEAH. I MEAN WHERE IT IS ON THE PLAN NOW DECEPTIVELY IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A LOT OF ROOM. WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T PULL A DIMENSION FROM THE ROAD TO THE BUILDING, WHICH PROBABLY IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. BUT IN OUR EXPERIENCE, THE ROOM WE HAVE, WHICH INCLUDES A SIDEWALK THAT RUNS DOWN THERE, IS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE RUN INTO PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT. OKAY. AND KEEP IN MIND THE UNITS, THE DIRECTION OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE NOT FACING THE ROAD. IT'S THE ENDS OF THOSE BUILDINGS. SO THERE'S REALLY VERY LITTLE INTERACTION WITH THE ROAD RELATIVE TO THE RESIDENCE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH, THE INTERACTION IS REALLY MORE THEY'RE FACING EACH OTHER. YEAH. IN THAT GARDEN SPACE. YEP. OKAY. THE. THE SO LISA DUMONT MENTIONED THIS THE ELEVATIONS. YEAH. WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TO REALLY BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND. YEAH. DO THE TIER ONE HEIGHT INCENTIVE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL I KNOW YOU'VE KIND OF GOT SOME CONCEPTUAL THINGS, BUT WE, WE KNOW WHAT'S DEVELOPED ALREADY ON POWAY ROAD. WE'VE SEEN IT. RIGHT. AND WE SAW INTRACORP AND WE'RE KIND OF GETTING A VIBE. AND APOLLO KIND OF WAS THERE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES, BUT DOESN'T HAVE THAT SAME VIBE. SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS THERE ARCHITECTURALLY. A COMMENT I HEARD FROM SOMEBODY WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING WAS IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE LEGO PIECES OR PLACED. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU HAVE INFILL DEVELOPMENT. BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS WITH THE OTHER THINGS AROUND THERE. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL ARCHITECTURAL COMMENT. I'LL LET YOU SORT OUT WHAT HOW THAT HAPPENS. THE COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENTS. I LIKE THE INTERNAL PASSAGEWAY, THE 12 FOOT DIMENSION IS GREAT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE WELL LIT.

I'M WONDERING IF TO TOUCH ON MICHAEL YEE'S COMMENT ABOUT BIKING. WE HAVE BIKE RACKS.

WE'D LOVE TO SEE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA. IF THEY'RE GOING TO BIKE THERE, THEY HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO PUT THEIR BIKE. I WOULD I WANT TO SEE THE THE SEATING, THE OUTDOOR GATHERING, THOSE DIFFERENT DESIGN ELEMENTS AND ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. I LOVE THE PLAZA AT THE LIBRARY. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY. I THINK THAT'S A COOL SPACE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ACTUALLY THE CITY ACTIVATE THAT SPACE, HAVE SOME SOCIAL EVENTS AND THINGS AND IT'S NOT REALLY ON YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE THAT SPACE IN THE WAY THAT YOU INTENDED AND INVESTED FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE INTERNAL ACCESS ROAD. SO IS THIS A THIS IS A DRIVING ROAD, IS THAT CORRECT? WE'RE DRIVING ON IT. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE PATH THAT CONNECTS RIGHT TO. OKAY. SO THAT PATH TO ME IS, I THINK, CHRIS, YOU MENTIONED IT REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT COME AND ENJOY THE COMMUNITY PARK AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND IT DOESN'T ALWAYS INVOLVE FOOD AND THEY MIGHT BE HUNGRY. AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR CAR STAY PARKED AT THE COMMUNITY PARK, WALK OVER TO POWAY ROAD, GET ICE CREAM OR SOMETHING IN ONE OF THOSE SPACES ALONG POWAY ROAD. AND I THINK IF YOU HAVE A REALLY NICE, WELL-LIT, LANDSCAPED, INVITING PATHWAY, THAT'S SUPER COOL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE ENVISION FOR THIS. LIKE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO, TO GET THERE IF WE DO IT RIGHT. SO THAT'S MY INPUT ON THE, THE COMMUNITY ENHANCEMENTS, THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. SO TO ECHO, I THINK, PETER, WHAT PETER SAID, WHEN I SEE THESE LITTLE UNITS AT 616FT■!S, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO RESPOND TO THE DEMANDS FOR MAYBE THESE THESE SMALLER COMMERCIAL SPACES, BUT I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND THE TYPICAL SIT DOWN COFFEE SHOP IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA IS 1200 TO 1500FT■!S. NOW, I'M NOT

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I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN A 616 SQUARE FOOT SPACE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A CATALYTIC TYPE BUSINESS. GELATO, MAYBE, BUT YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE SPACES WE'RE CREATING. WE'RE COMMITTING TO WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT. AND THIS IS LIKE KEY TO EVERYTHING. AND WE SAW INTRACORP ENHANCING THEIR THEIR RETAIL SPACE. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, ABOUT THAT THERE. I DON'T MIND SOME SMALLER SPACES, BUT TO HAVE SO MANY OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. PUT ME DOWN FOR ROOFTOP DINING. MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THREE FOR THREE. YEAH. THE CEILING HEIGHTS. YOU KNOW THAT'S IT FEELS LIKE IT'S SPLITTING HAIRS A LITTLE BIT. BUT MY QUESTION IS THE 11 TO 14FT. IS THAT BUILT OUT OR SLABBED TO TO DECK. IT'S 14 TO FINISH FINISH FINISH CEILING. AND YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WE WOULD ARGUE WE'RE NOT ARGUING, BUT WE WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT THE COMPARISON IS NOT 14 TO 11. IT'S 12 TO 11. THAT'S OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE DOCUMENT. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE CAME IN INITIALLY IN A LIVE WORK CONFIGURATION. YEAH. WE COOPERATIVELY WENT A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT WE SHOULDN'T LOSE ALL THE BENEFIT OF THE ABILITY TO INVOKE LIVE WORK, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO DESIGN ELEMENT WITH THE SIZE OF THAT SPACE, THE TALLER YOU GO, THE MORE SILOED IT FEELS. YOU JUST GET THIS VACUOUS FEELING IN THE BUILDING. SO WE BROUGHT IT DOWN PURPOSEFULLY JUST TO ADD SOME PROPORTIONS, SOME CORRECT PROPORTIONS TO THE TO THE SIDE OF THE ROOM, THE TWO FREE STANDING SPACES FINE, 14 AND ABOVE. GREAT. BUT WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THOSE SMALLER SPACES. OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. I DON'T HAVE I'M AGNOSTIC ON IT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A MARKETABILITY THING. DO NOT I WOULD NOT. DIMINISH THE OUTDOOR PATIO. EVERY USER WE TALK TO WANTS AN OUTDOOR PATIO. IT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THEIR BUSINESS. WE'RE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. IT'S 70 DEGREES, AVERAGE TEMPERATURE 12 MONTHS A YEAR. THEY WANT OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT AS PART OF THEIR BUSINESS. THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE ROOFTOP DINING, I WOULD SAY I AGREE, I LIKE TO EAT OUTSIDE AS WELL. AND SO I, I AGREE WITH THAT. A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF SOMEONE PURCHASING ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND MANAGING ALL OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE A LOT OF HEADACHES. SO IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. FOR THE LARGER SPACES. HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY TENANTS PRELIMINARILY, THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED? VERY TENTATIVELY? I MEAN, WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A PROJECT TODAY, RIGHT? THERE'S NOTHING TO SELL. THERE'S NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE. YEAH. WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS FLEXIBILITY, RIGHT? THE MORE FLEXIBLE WE CAN BE WITH A USER. YOU TALK ABOUT FINISHING OUT A SPACE. TYPICALLY WHEN WE DELIVER THOSE KIND OF SPACES, THEY DON'T HAVE A SLAB IN THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE A SLAB BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE KITCHEN IS GOING TO BE. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BATHROOM IS GOING TO BE. RIGHT? WE LEAVE THAT UP TO THE USER TO TELL US, AND THEN WE GO IN AND FINISH IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR SPECIFICATIONS. SO THE MORE FLEXIBLE WE CAN BE, THE MORE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE USER AS, AS RAY SAID, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE THIS TO BECOME A RETAIL PROJECT, A COMMERCIAL PROJECT IN AND OF ITSELF. RIGHT? THE 10,000 PLUS OR MINUS FEET. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WE'VE TALKED TO SAID, I WANT TO OWN THAT STANDALONE SPACE, SO I'M GOING TO DO A RESTAURANT THERE. I WANT TO OWN IT. I WON'T DO IT UNLESS I OWN IT. SO AGAIN, WE NEED THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS THE USERS CONCERNS. OKAY, FAIR. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS DO THIS FOR A LIVING. SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO LEAN INTO YOUR EXPERIENCE AND WE WANT YOU TO BRING THAT THAT TO POWAY. SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, IN THE MARKET. SO APPRECIATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MARKET'S A TERRIBLY EFFICIENT THING. DELIVERING THAT 10,000 PLUS SQUARE FEET WILL BE EXPENSIVE, RIGHT? IT WILL HAVE COST US A LOT OF MONEY. WE'RE ECONOMICALLY INCENTIVIZED TO GET THEM FILLED. THE KEY IS TO GET THEM FILLED WITH WHAT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THIS RELATIONSHIP MEANS SOMETHING.

AND MY SHARING WITH YOU THE EXTENT TO WHICH WE WENT TO KIND OF GO ABOVE AND BEYOND MY

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EMPHATICALLY. AGAIN, THIS IS, I THINK, THE KEY TO ENGAGING WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

COMPLETE COMMERCIAL SPACE COMPONENTS. IN THE FIRST PHASE. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO YOU ON THAT, HOW YOU ROLL THIS THING OUT WITH THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. FIRST, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE. DOES THE PROJECT MEET THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED IN THE ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN? SPECIFIC PLAN FOR A CATALYTIC SITE? I WOULD SAY NOT YET GETTING CLOSE. BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TWO DEVELOPMENTS IN THE TOWN CENTER WITH OTHERS IN PLACE. ONE RECENTLY APPROVED THE INNER CORE, AS CHRIS HAS MENTIONED. AND SO WE SEE HOW THIS IS SHAPING UP AND WE NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT. AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO TO GET IT RIGHT. AND IT NEEDS TO BE INVITING. IT NEEDS TO BE VIBRANT, NEEDS TO ATTRACT THE RIGHT KIND OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AND APPEAL TO THE RESIDENTS. AND YEAH, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE FEEDBACK, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU BRINGING BACK YOUR BEST PLAN THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO LOVE, THE CITY CAN EMBRACE, AND THAT YOU CAN ALSO BE PROUD OF AS A DEVELOPER. THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR. MAYOR. THE BUILDINGS LOOK CUTE AND INVITING IN THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, BUT IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AREN'T DRAWN TO SCALE. IF YOU GO BY THE HEIGHTS MEASUREMENTS ON THE SIDE, THESE PEOPLE ARE ABOUT SEVEN FEET TALL. THE TOWN CENTER SECTION OF POWAY ROAD IS RAPIDLY FILLING UP, AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF CHANCES TO GET THIS RIGHT. ECHOING COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON. WE DON'T JUST NEED COMMERCIAL SPACES, WE NEED VIBRANT COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT ARE VIABLE AND DESIRABLE TO RETAILERS. ATTACHMENT E PROMISES CAFES, RESTAURANTS, RETAIL AND SERVICES, BUT 616FT■S REALLY LIMITS THE POTENTIAL OF THESE UNITS IN CREATING CATALYTIC SITES. I APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING PROVIDED, BUT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED, THIS PROJECT DOES NOT APPEAR TO OFFER A SUPERIOR DESIGN. BY DEFINITION, SUPERIOR SUGGESTS SOMETHING BETTER THAN. AND THIS IS NOT BETTER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ALONG POWAY ROAD. IT IS SIMILAR ENOUGH TO FAIRFIELD PHASE ONE THAT WE COULD EASILY END UP WITH MORE EMPTY STOREFRONTS. THANK YOU, LISA, FOR WRITING IN AND COMING IN. I AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS ON PLACING LIMITATIONS AND CONDITIONS, SORRY, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE DEVELOPERS BEFORE ANY INCENTIVES OR ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS ARE GRANTED, PARTICULARLY FOR THE 12 FOOT PEDESTRIAN PASSAGEWAY.

TO SUPPORT WALKABILITY, WE REALLY JUST NEED TO REEVALUATE THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN BECAUSE MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE DIRECTION THAT POWAY ROAD HAS TAKEN, BUT WE CAN'T CONTINUE DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. I'M

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THIS WASN'T A PLAN DRAWN UP TO MAXIMIZE DENSITY. IT WAS THE COMMUNITY, AFTER EXTENSIVE INPUT, DELIBERATELY PULLING BACK WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT THERE BEFORE WHILE STILL DESIGNATING POWAY ROAD AS THE PLACE TO ABSORB GROWTH SO THE REST OF POWAY COULD STAY RURAL.

THAT CONTEXT MATTERS WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHY DOES THIS ALL FEEL LIKE A LOT? IT'S ALREADY LESS THAN WE HAD ON THE BOOKS BEFORE. I DON'T WANT OUR STANDARDS TO GET SO RESTRICTIVE THAT PROJECTS LIKE THIS CAN'T PENCIL OUT AT THE DENSITIES THAT THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN CALLS OUT. STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW BECOMES THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE FOR DEVELOPERS, AND DENSITY BONUS LAW GIVES THIS COUNCIL FAR LESS SAY OVER DESIGN SETBACKS, COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS THAN A NEGOTIATED HIGHWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN DOES HOLDING THE LINE ON QUALITY HERE THROUGH TOOLS WE ACTUALLY CONTROL IS THE BEST, BEST PATH FORWARD. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY REMINDER. I THINK TRACK RECORD MATTERS. MERIDIAN DELIVERED ON PHASE 197 FOR SALE HOMES, 40 FOR SENIOR AND VETERANS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, THE PUBLIC PLAZA, THE PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR TO COMMUNITY PARK, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR. THAT DOESN'T MEAN, THOUGH, THAT WE GIVE A BLANK CHECK FOR PHASE TWO, BUT I THINK IT'S RELEVANT CONTEXT WHEN WE'RE DECIDING HOW MUCH BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO EXTEND.

I APPRECIATE, GUY, YOUR ENTHUSIASM AND YOUR PASSION FOR POWAY. WE'VE SPOKEN MANY TIMES ABOUT THAT, AND I ABSOLUTELY GET IT. A FEW QUESTIONS. A COUPLE OF THE CALLERS MENTIONED THE ORIGINAL POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN CALLED OUT 25,000FT■!S OF COMMERCIAL SPACE.

HOW DID WE GET FROM THAT TO TO WHERE WE ARE NOW? BECAUSE IT'S IT'S VERY DIFFERENT GUY. YOU WANT TO TAKE IT. AND THEN IF STAFF WANTS TO CHIME IN, THE STAFF REPORT DOES SAY 25,000FT■, WE HAD TO ALLOCATE SOMETHING TO THAT LAND USE SO WE COULD EVALUATE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE COULD EVALUATE. THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM STORM DRAIN SIZING, SEWER SIZING, WATER SIZING, TRAFFIC COUNTS. YOU HAVE TO ALLOCATE SOME FORM OF LAND USE TO IT SO YOU CAN DO THE ANALYSIS. THERE WAS NOT A COMMITMENT IN THAT DOCUMENT THAT OBLIGATED US OR YOU TO MAKE US BUILD 25,000FT■!S OF ANYTHING RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR OTHERWISE. IT'S SIMPLY AN ALLOCATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IF ONE WAS TO ACTUALLY GO AND READ THE COMPLETE DOCUMENT, IT'S IT'S COMPLEX, BUT IT TELLS A STORY. IT SAYS MERIDIAN, GO AND TRY TO ATTEMPT TO BUY THOSE OUTLYING PARCELS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. THAT'S YOUR OBLIGATION.

AND WE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THAT OBLIGATION. WE MADE OFFERS. WE PRESENTED THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY, AND IT SAID AFTER THAT PROCESS, IF YOU'VE ATTEMPTED AND YOU SATISFIED IT AND AND YOU'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL, THEN YOU CAN PROPOSE ANY PROJECT YOU WANT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES TODAY. BUT THERE WAS NOT AN OBLIGATION TO BUILD 2500 ZERO SQUARE FEET OF ANYTHING. IT'S SIMPLY AN ALLOCATION OF INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH. I MEAN, ALL CONSISTENT WITH ALL CONSISTENT WITH THAT. THERE'S YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THIS. SO WE HAVE THE AGREEMENT. WE SOLD THE PROPERTY. LIKE MR. ASARO SAID, IT WAS SORT OF THE RETAIL, THE FUTURE POTENTIAL RETAIL AREA WAS KIND OF PATCHWORK. THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH BEST EFFORTS TO TRY TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY. THEY HAD THREE YEARS TO DO THAT.

THEN THE CITY HAD AN OPTION TO PURCHASE IT BACK. IF THEY DIDN'T, THE CITY DIDN'T EXERCISE THAT OPTION. THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER TIME PERIOD BY WHICH ALL THE OBLIGATIONS WERE COMPLETED. AND WE'VE HIT THAT TIME PERIOD NOW. AND, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE LIKE ANY OTHER OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT CAN PROPOSE WHAT THEY'D LIKE. AND I THINK AGAIN, WHEN

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AND FOR A LONG TIME WE JUST DIDN'T WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH PERCH IN THAT CONVERSATION.

OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE GOTTEN FURTHER ALONG, AND WE'VE HELPED THEM IDENTIFY OTHER SITES TO LOCATE IN. BUT HERE TODAY, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LEASE TERMINATION AGREEMENT WITH THEM. AND THAT'S, THAT'S CONCERNING TO US. HAVING SAID THAT, WE KNOW THAT THIS PLAN CAN BE PHASED AND WE CAN BRING FORWARD A PHASE PLAN THAT ALLOWS THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROJECT TO GO FORWARD AND THE ENTERPRISE SITE TO KIND OF BE A PHASE TWO OF, CALLED A PHASE THREE OF PHASE TWO, IF YOU WILL, PHASE TWO, B OF TWO, IT, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT PROBABLY, BUT WOULD BE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN THE INTENSITY YOU SEE HERE. SO IT WOULDN'T ADD AN ADDITIONAL INTENSITY EITHER RESIDENTIALLY OR, OR, OR COMMERCIALLY. WE'D END UP AT THE SAME PLACE. WE JUST END UP THERE AND ACROSS TWO PHASES CALLED TWO THIRD, ONE THIRD KIND OF THING. SO MAYBE THAT COULD BE THE SITE FOR THE ROOFTOP DINER. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT AGAINST ROOFTOP DINING, RIGHT? IT'S JUST ADDRESS THAT POINT. IT'S A GREAT POINT. IT'S IT, IT BELIES THE NEED TO BE FLEXIBLE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE USER DECISION, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO BE A TENANT DRIVEN DECISION ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT. THE HEIGHT IS CERTAINLY THERE, RIGHT? THOSE STANDALONE CENTERS AT 14FT ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE MEZZANINE OR SOMETHING. RIGHT? SO YOU GOT ROOM TO DO IT. IT REALLY DOES. DOES THE THE USER, DOES THE TENANT THINK IT'S WARRANTED? DOES HE THINK IT'S A BENEFIT? I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN IN CHULA VISTA, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF OF COMMERCIAL. WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS TO ADD ROOFTOP DECKS, A LOT OF REQUESTS, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU. JUMPING AROUND HERE. THIS IS ONE OF THE THREE CATALYTIC OPPORTUNITIES IDENTIFIED IN THE THE TOWN CENTER AND THE SPECIFIC PLAN ITSELF IDENTIFIED CATALYTIC OPPORTUNITIES AS HAVING THE ABILITY TO SPARK OR JUMPSTART REDEVELOPMENT AND INVESTMENT ON POWAY ROAD. THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID THEY WANTED THERE. AND I THINK PART OF WHAT GETS IT, THERE WILL BE SETBACKS, PLAZAS, COURTYARDS, PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES, A WATER FEATURE, A FIRE FEATURE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT MAKE IT UNIQUE SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE, HEY, THAT LOOKS COOL. LET'S GO THERE. PICKING UP ON A COUPLE OTHER RANDOM POINTS. ROOF LINE VARIATION ALONG THE 335 FOOT FRONTAGE. RIGHT NOW IT'S LOOKING LIKE A FAIRLY CONTINUOUS WALL, SOMETHING I. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT.

I AM REALLY GLAD YOU DUMPED THE LIVE WORK CONCEPT. THERE IS NOTHING CATALYTIC ABOUT LIVE WORK IN MY BOOK. MY FEAR WITH 616 OR WHATEVER IT IS. SQUARE FOOT SPACES IS I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF NAIL SALONS ALONG THERE. WE TRULY ARE LOOKING FOR THOSE CATALYSTS FOR. I'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING FOR MAGNETS TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THE AREA AND A NAIL SALON ISN'T GOING TO DO IT. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE MEZZANINE SPACE IN THE ONE TALLER PROJECT. LET ME JUST SEE, WITH THE SMALLER COMMERCIAL SPACES, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THERE WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, BE A DOORWAY BETWEEN THOSE DOWNSTAIRS COMMERCIAL SPACES AND THE ABOVE.

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AND IT, IT COULD BE A PROJECT THAT WE WOULD BE PROUD OF. SO COUNCIL. ANYBODY ELSE FURTHER COMMENT? ANITA. GO. I WOULD JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR VOSS TO WEIGH IN ON ROOFTOP DINING. I ALREADY DID. I SAID THE HOF DINER ON THE TOP. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. THERE WE GO. THERE'S YOUR MARCHING ORDERS. ANYTHING ELSE, FOLKS? I THINK GO AHEAD. ACTUALLY, NOW THAT ANITA BROUGHT UP A COMMUNITY AMENITIES, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT PASSIVE RECREATION AREA ON THE SIDE, AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD SPOT FOR A PET RELIEF AREA.

SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TAKE THEIR DOGS OUT FOR A WALK. THEY MIGHT DO IT THERE ANYWAY. SO IF WE ROPE IT OFF, THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA. THAT'S ALL. OH, ONE THING I FAILED TO ASK. ACCESS PARKING.

LOVE HEARING THAT. LOVE HEARING THAT THERE WILL BE PARKING FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACES. BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE IT? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THE PEOPLE IN THE RESIDENCES FROM PARKING THOSE COMMERCIAL SPACES AND DRIVING THE BUSINESSES CRAZY? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S NOTHING LIKE REAL LIFE EXAMPLES TO DEMONSTRATE DRIVING OUT IN OUR PROJECT TODAY.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A SEA OF PARKING. AND VERY RARELY CAN YOU FIND CARS IN THEM THERE IN, IN OUR PROJECT, GUEST PARKING IS STRICTLY ENFORCED. THERE'S RESIDENTS PARK IN THE GARAGE.

THEY DON'T USE THE GUEST PARKING. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU. IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM. WE WRITE IT IN THE CC AND RS. THIS PARTICULAR SET OF CARS WILL BE JOINT BETWEEN A BUSINESS, A GROUP, RIGHT. OPERATING THOSE BUSINESSES AND AND THE RESIDENCES. AND IT'S ALL ABOUT ENFORCEMENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. NOTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL. AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN POWAY. APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN POWAY THUS FAR. I THINK SOMETHING GREAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THAT ITEM.

BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL INITIATED ITEMS I'VE BEEN WANTING TO MENTION. JULY 31ST, WE ALL GOT A LETTER FROM SUPERVISOR JOEL ANDERSON ASKING US TO WEIGH IN ON THE COUNTY SALES TAX MEASURE. I PLAN ON WRITING A LETTER OF OPPOSITION TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I WOULD WELCOME ANY OR ALL OF YOU TO SIGN ON THAT LETTER WITH ME. I AM ABSOLUTELY 100% OPPOSED TO THAT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE HEARD. PETER, FIRST OFF, I AGREE WITH THAT 100%. BUT FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND STUFF, A COUPLE OF THEM, I WENT TO THE VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION DINNER A LITTLE WHILE AGO WITH MY FELLOW COUNCIL PEOPLE. IT WAS A GREAT TIME, GREAT EVENT TO MEET UP WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY MAKE POWAY A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, BECAUSE IT'S THAT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THAT MATTERS SOMEWHAT. BEFORE THAT, I WAS AT THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WITH ALSO EVERYBODY ELSE. THAT WAS A REALLY COOL EVENT AS WELL, INCREDIBLY CROWDED. IT WAS VERY POPULAR TO SEE ALL THE FIRST RESPONDERS SEE THE SHERIFF'S OUT THERE WITH THEIR COOL TOYS, AND REMINDS ME THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE OTHER END OF SOME OF THOSE COOL TOYS, SO REMEMBER THAT. BUT A GREAT TIME. THANK YOU FOR, FOR FOR HAVING THAT. AND THAT'S IT. MR. I TOO, AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO ANOTHER SALES TAX INCREASE. I GOT THAT LETTER FROM JOEL, AND I KNOW HE WROTE IT TO SOLICIT INPUT, BUT I GOT THE FEELING HE'S NOT REALLY THRILLED ABOUT IT EITHER. THE COUNTY HAS A SPENDING PROBLEM AND ASKING FOR ANOTHER HALF CENT FROM EVERYBODY FOREVER, JUST TO FUND SOME AMORPHOUS PROGRAMS THAT ARE VAGUE AND ALL THAT BECAUSE THEY SPEND TOO MUCH. DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO IT. SO YES, I WILL SIGN THAT LETTER. OKAY, THAT BEING SAID, I GOT A FEW THINGS. ONE, THE BOY SCOUTS WERE HERE TONIGHT. THEY GOT TO SEE THE CITY IN ACTION WORKING, AND I HOPE THEY HAD A GOOD IMPRESSION.

SORRY THEY LEFT SO EARLY. I HOPE THEY COME BACK SO GOOD FOR THEM. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, MOST

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SO YAY ON THAT OTHER ITEM, RIGHT AFTER THE 4TH OF JULY, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM CODY DANTU SUGGESTING OF OUR ASKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A VETERANS DISCOUNT AT VARIOUS POWAY FOR POWAY SERVICES, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT KIND OF HARD TO IMPLEMENT. YOU KNOW, WHO'S A VETERAN, WHO'S NOT? HOW DO YOU DOCUMENT THAT OR FIRST RESPONDERS? WHO IS WHO ISN'T? HOW DO YOU DOCUMENT IT? BUT IS ANITA HAD POINTED OUT, IT'S VERY EASY TO DOCUMENT ACTIVE SERVICE MILITARY BECAUSE THEY CARRY THE CARD, THEIR DEPENDENTS CARRY THE CARD. AND SO I GUESS I'M DOING A COUNCIL INITIATED ITEM ASKING STAFF TO MAYBE PREPARE A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR OFFERING A 15% DISCOUNT TO ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY FOR VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THE COMMUNITY POOL OR PERMITS. AND IT'S PROBABLY EASY TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE THEY JUST HAVE TO IF THEY FLASH THEIR CARD, THEY GET IT. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T. SO THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE OR, YOU KNOW, BUREAUCRACY INVOLVED. AND I GUESS I'M ASKING FOR A CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL WHETHER TO ASK FOR THIS TO BE STUDIED. SO. YOUR THUMBS UP.

YEP. THAT'LL WORK. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S A YES FROM THE MAYOR.

SURE. OKAY. MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE WE JUST DID A FEE STUDY. AND SO COMING ON THE HEELS OF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER OR HARDER, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH AT LEAST TAKING A SUPERFICIAL LOOK AND DETERMINE WHAT'S POSSIBLE. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T ASK FOR IMPLEMENTING LEGISLATION YET, JUST TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE OR DIFFICULT. AND I'M THINKING THAT IT MAY NOT DRAIN THE GENERAL FUND THAT MUCH, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT IS OUR 250TH ANNIVERSARY THERE. AND SO I GUESS THAT'S A YES, OR AT LEAST A FOUR. AND FINALLY, ON A PERSONAL NOTE, A FRIEND OF MINE WAS VISITING FROM FORT LAUDERDALE THIS WEEKEND, WENT OUT FOR A BIKE RIDE AND WAS RUN OVER BY A CAR ON THE CORNER OF MIDLAND AND POWAY, PINNED UNDERNEATH. WELL, FOR A BIT, SHE CRAWLED OUT. BY THE TIME THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWED UP, FORTUNATELY, THEY WERE A BLOCK AWAY. THEY WERE THERE LICKETY SPLIT AND A COUPLE OF SHERIFFS AND EVEN THE SENIOR. WAS IT THE VOLUNTEER SERVICE? SENIOR PATROL? THEY WERE OFF CONING, OFF THE LANES AND EVERYTHING.

SO SHE'S FINE. DECLINED THE RIDE TO THE TO THE HOSPITAL AND THE AMBULANCE. I ENDED UP DRIVING HER MYSELF. AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWED UP SO QUICKLY AND WAS VERY PROFESSIONAL. AND SAME WITH THE SHERIFF. THEY TOOK STATEMENTS AND EVERYTHING, AND THE SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL. SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT TOO. AND ALSO GRATEFUL THAT THE WITNESS AND THE CAR BEHIND SAW THE WHOLE THING AND STUCK AROUND TO GIVE A STATEMENT TO CORROBORATE HER STORY. SO APPRECIATE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY TODAY, WHEN WE WERE GOING OVER THIS LAST PROJECT, I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN BIKE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN FAIRFIELD AND COMMUNITY PARK WITHOUT HAVING TO GO ON POWAY ROAD. SO THANK YOU TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND THE SENIOR VOLUNTEER PATROL. AND WITH THAT, I AM DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON, JUST QUICKLY GOING TO WRAP UP MY COMMENTS IN A BOW, A LITTLE LOVE LETTER TO THE STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY FOR THE EVENTS THAT SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED. THE VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION DINNER BREWS AND BOOTS, BOTH HELD AT POWAY PARK. THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, SPONSORED BY THE SHERIFF'S

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THAT JUST BRINGS POWAY TO A HIGHER LEVEL THAT WE JUST THIS IS WHAT WE APPRECIATE, WHY WE APPRECIATE POWAY SO MUCH. AND SO GOOD JOB, EVERYONE, FOR MAKING OUR PARKS LOOK GREAT AND OUR PROGRAMS WONDERFUL. AND THANK YOU TO OUR VOLUNTEERS FOR ALL YOU DO. JENNY. NO ANNOUNCEMENTS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY I'D BE HAPPY TO SIGN THE LETTER TO SUPERVISOR ANDERSON.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SUPPORT THAT. I'M GOING TO PILE ON A NIGHT

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I HOPE YOU TOOK COPIOUS NOTES TONIGHT. YEAH. SO THANKS AND WELCOME, ELLEN. NOTHING. THANKS.

ONE MORE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ELLEN. I'M SORRY YOU HAD TO SPEND YOUR 40TH WITH US. OUR APOLOGIES TO YOUR FAMILY, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET SOME TIME OFF WITH THEM. NO, I, I WAS, AND I SPENT MY 31ST BIRTHDAY HERE AS SPECIAL COUNSEL ON DISTRICTING STUFF, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT. SO IT MAKES ME FEEL OLD TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER PLACE TO SPEND THOSE TWO BIRTHDAYS. SO THANK

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