Jul 21, 2026 City Council

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JULY 21ST, 2026. REGULAR PLEASE LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.

WOULD ASK YOU TO REMEMBER OUR SERVICE MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED DEFENDING OUR FREEDOM.

THANK YOU. FIRST UP ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, AN ITEM NOT SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA MAY BE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR COMMENT. HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ANY ITEM NOT INCLUDED ON THE AGENDA. YOU MAY SPEAK UP TO THREE MINUTES. SPEAKERS HAVE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COUNCIL UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT. FOR THOSE JOINING US ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR VIRTUAL HAND NOW. IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW. SPEAKERS WILL BE PROMPTED TO UNMUTE WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE? NO, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT WHATSOEVER. WE WILL

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COUNCIL MEMBER DAYHOFF A COUNCIL MEMBER. PICUS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. EDMONDSON I, DEPUTY MAYOR MAITA I AND MAYOR VOSS I ITEM PASSES MOVING TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. ITEM SEVEN THROUGH 13. SORRY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HEAR ME SAY THIS AGAIN. FOR THOSE JOINING US ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM SEVEN THROUGH 13, PLEASE RAISE YOUR VIRTUAL HAND. NOW.

IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE, PRESS STAR NINE. NOW, SPEAKERS WILL BE PROMPTED TO UNMUTE WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM SEVEN THROUGH 13. THE HEARINGS ARE TO ESTABLISH ASSESSMENTS FOR LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE DISTRICTS 19-1, 83-186-186, DASH TWO, 86, DASH 387-1, AND THE POWAY LIGHTING DISTRICT, TO BE COLLECTED ON THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY PROPERTY TAX ROLL FOR FISCAL YEAR 2627. SENIOR MANAGEMENT ANALYST FOR PUBLIC WORKS JENNIFER STEFFEN WILL PRESENT THE ITEM ALONG WITH THE

[7. Resolution Establishing Assessments for Poway Landscape Maintenance District 19-1 to be Collected on the San Diego County Property Tax Roll for Fiscal Year 2026-27]

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AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PICUS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. EDMONDSON. I. DEPUTY MAYOR MAYEDA I AND MAYOR

[14. Development Review 25-0002 and Tentative Tract Map 25-0002, a Request to Construct 47 Townhomes and Four Ground-Floor Commercial Spaces within the Town Center Land Use District of the Poway Road Corridor Specific Plan Located at 13044 and 13056 Poway Road (APNs 317-101- 04 and 317-101-05); and Determine the Project is Categorically Exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act]

THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT. FOR THOSE OF YOU JOINING US ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 14, RAISE YOUR VIRTUAL HAND. NOW.

IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE, PRESS STAR NINE. NOW, SPEAKERS WILL BE PROMPTED TO UNMUTE WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED AT THE FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026, REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I WILL NOW CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ASSOCIATE PLANNER MARY PISCATELLI WILL PRESENT THE ITEM ALONG WITH THE POWERPOINT.

WELCOME, MARY. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT, I'M PRESENTING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW 25-0002 AND TENTATIVE TRACT MAP. 25-0002. THE APPLICANT IS INTRACORP HOMES. THE PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT 13044 AND 13056 POWAY ROAD BETWEEN CARRIAGE ROAD AND CIVIC CENTER DRIVE. LAND USES TO THE NORTH ARE SINGLE FAMILY. TO THE EAST ARE THE APOLLO APARTMENTS. TO THE SOUTH IS COMMERCIAL OFFICE AND RETAIL, AND TO THE WEST IS A VACANT LOT. THE PROJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER. LAND USE DISTRICT OF POWAY ROAD CORRIDOR. SPECIFIC PLAN KNOWN AS THE P R SP. IN DECEMBER OF 2017, THE CITY COUNCIL CERTIFIED THE SP'S PROGRAMMATIC EIR AND APPROVED THE SPECIFIC PLAN. AFTER YEARS OF INPUT FROM COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, CONSTITUENTS, LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ARCHITECTS. THE PROJECT SITE CONSISTS OF TWO VACANT COMMERCIAL PARCELS AND HAVE A COMBINED TOTAL OF 2.06 NET ACRES, WHICH PREVIOUSLY HAD COMMERCIAL RENTAL FACILITIES WHICH ARE NO LONGER IN OPERATING. THESE PHOTOS SHOW THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE PROJECT SITE PRIOR TO SUNBELT RENTALS VACATING THE SITES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT

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ADDING A FOURTH STORE STOREFRONT, EXPANDING COMMERCIAL USES TO THE ENTIRE FOOTAGE, INCREASING DEPTH AND CEILING HEIGHT OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, AND ADDING A FIRE FEATURE WITH SEATING TO COURTYARDS ALONG POWAY ROAD. THIS GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES HOW THE PROJECT HAS EVOLVED SINCE THE PRE DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE. THE INCORPORATION OF COURTYARDS AND COVERED PATIO AREAS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED. THE BUILDING MASSING ALONG THE ROAD FRONTAGE, ADDING VISUAL INTEREST AND A COMMUNITY AMENITY. THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE MORE THAN DOUBLED FROM THE PDC PROPOSED 860FT■!S TO THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED 2830FT■!S. WHEN CONSIDERING THE COMMERCIAL SPACES PROPOSED, ALONG WITH THE COMMERCIAL SUPPORTED COURTYARDS, THE PROJECT PROVIDES 6100FT■!S F COMMERCIALLY SUPPORTIVE SPACE, WHICH IS THREE WITHIN 3% OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE GOAL OF 6300FT■!S SET BY THE PRSP.

ACCOMPLISHING THE VISION OF THE TOWN CENTER DISTRICT TO PROMOTE A UNIQUE SENSE OF PLACE WITH COMFORTABLE SIDEWALKS, TRANSPARENT AND ACTIVE STOREFRONTS AND OUTDOOR EATING AREAS, IS AN IMPORTANT GOAL FOR THIS PROJECT. HERE IS A DETAIL OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING FRONTAGE ALONG POWAY ROAD. THE SPACE IS PROPOSED TO BE EQUIPPED WITH OUTDOOR SEATING, UMBRELLAS, LANDSCAPED DECORATIVE HARDSCAPE AND FIRE FEATURES. THE SITE DESIGN PRINCIPLES OF THE PRSP ENCOURAGE OPEN SPACE, SUCH AS COMMON COURTYARDS TO FACE MAJOR STREETS, ACTIVATING THE CORRIDOR AND PROVIDING EYES ON THE STREET. THE PLAN PROMOTES PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC GATHERING SPACES DESIGNED AS ACTIVE PLACES WITHIN, WITH BUILDINGS ORIENTED TOWARDS SIDEWALKS AND THE STREET, EMPHASIZING DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO INTERACT. THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL USES ARE DESIGNED WITH EXPANSIVE STOREFRONT WINDOWS, WHICH MAXIMIZE NATURAL LIGHTING, ENHANCE SAFETY, AND PROVIDE A VIBRANT APPEAL. AT THE SAME TIME, THE INCORPORATION OF COURTYARDS ALONG POWAY ROAD BREAK UP THE MASS OF THE BUILDINGS WITH ARTICULATION OF FORM, VARIATIONS AND SETBACKS, AND STEP BACKS, WHICH ARE KEY MASSING AND SCALE BUILDING DESIGN PRINCIPLES OF THE PRSP. THE PROJECT MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SETBACKS AND MINIMUM LANDSCAPE AREAS. THE MINIMUM SETBACK PROPOSAL ON POWAY ROAD IS SEVEN FEET, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE FIVE FOOT MINIMUM AND THE TEN FOOT MAXIMUM SETBACK ALLOWED FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALONG POWAY ROAD. APPROXIMATELY 20% OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE IS SET BACK BY DOUBLE THE MAXIMUM SETBACK, OR 20FT THROUGH INCORPORATION OF THE COURTYARDS FRONTING POWAY ROAD, WHICH IS BOTH ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED BY THE PRSP. THE LOT AREA COVERAGE AND DENSITY BOTH FALL BELOW THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER LAND USE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A TIER ONE HEIGHT INCENTIVE TO INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT FROM 35FT AND TWO STORIES TO 38FT, AND THREE STORIES. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TWO ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS RELATED TO THE COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT STANDARDS. FIRST, A REDUCTION IN DEPTH OF TWO OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACES. SECOND, A REDUCTION IN CEILING HEIGHT IN THESE TWO SHALLOWER SPACES TO PROVIDE APPROPRIATE SCALE.

RECOGNIZING THE NEED TO MEET EVOLVING MARKET DEMANDS, THE PRSP INCLUDES FLEXIBILITY IN COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT STANDARDS AND ALLOWS CHANGES OF UP TO 50% WHEN WARRANTED. TO SUPPORT A PROJECT THAT OFFERS A SUPERIOR DESIGN ALTERNATIVE. INTRACORP HAS PROVIDED SUPPORT FOR HOW THE PROJECT REPRESENTS A SUPERIOR DESIGN. SOME OF THE REASONS CITED INCLUDE.

COMMERCIAL SPACES HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO MEET EVOLVING MARKET DEMAND. THE SPACES ARE DESIGNED FOR THE TARGET BUSINESSES, WHICH DO NOT HAVE A LARGE STORAGE NEED, MAKING THE ADDITIONAL DEPTH WASTED SPACE. SMALLER SPACES ARE LESS COSTLY TO EQUIP AND RESULT IN A MORE ATTAINABLE RENTS. THE PROJECT PROVIDES LARGER SETBACKS ALONG POWAY ROAD THAN REQUIRED BY THE PRSP THROUGH INCORPORATION OF QUASI PUBLIC COURTYARDS WITH DIRECT CONNECTION TO COMMERCIAL STREETS, FINALLY PROVIDING HOME BUYING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE LOOKING TO ESTABLISH ROOTS IN THE COMMUNITY OR FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO DOWNSIZE AND CONTINUE LIVING IN POWER, IS A KEY OBJECTIVE OF THE VISION FRAMEWORK FOR THE PRSP AND A GOAL OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT. ACTIVE, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED COMMERCIAL SPACES ARE INTEGRAL TO ACHIEVING THE ENVISIONED VIBRANCY. THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNED A STRONG COMMERCIAL MARKETING STRATEGY AND HAS COMMITTED TO DELIVERING THE COMMERCIAL SPACES SPACES IN A MOVE IN READY CONDITION. AS A

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A NOTICE WAS MAILED TO ALL TENANTS AND OCCUPANTS IN A 500 FOOT RADIUS FROM BOTH PARCELS.

A NOTICE WAS ALSO PUBLISHED IN THE POWAY NEWS CHIEFTAIN IN THE JULY 9TH EDITION. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL FIND AND DETERMINE THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM SEQUA. THE PROJECT OFFERS A SUPERIOR DESIGN WHICH JUSTIFIES APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS FOR CEILING HEIGHT AND DEPTH OF COMMERCIAL SPACES, AND TIER ONE HEIGHT INCENTIVES CONFORMING WITH THE PRSP. AND FURTHER, IT IS RECOMMENDED THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION ATTACHMENT A IN THE PACKET APPROVING DOCTOR 250002 AND TM 250002. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. AFTER THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM SARAH KLAUSTERMEYER OF INTRACORP HOLMES, THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT ALONG WITH THE POWERPOINT. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SARAH KLAUSTERMEYER WITH INTRACORP HOLMES, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT OUR PROPOSED 47 UNIT TOWNHOME PROJECT. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING STAFF FOR THEIR PRESENTATION, AND WE HAVE READ THE DRAFTED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND WE ACCEPT THEM. INTRACORP IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY WITH ITS ROOTS IN VANCOUVER, CANADA. WE HAVE US OFFICES IN SEATTLE, AUSTIN AND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 1976, WE HAVE DEVELOPED OVER 23000 UNITS AS BOTH RENTAL AND FOR SALE HOUSING. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 62 ACTIVE PROJECTS AND OVER 9000 HOMES UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR IN PRE-DEVELOPMENT. WE AIM TO MEET THE FABRIC AND THE FRAMEWORK OF THE CITIES WE DEVELOP IN TO DELIVER HOUSING THAT MEETS THE DEMAND AND NEED OF THE COMMUNITY. THE PROPOSED PROJECT CONSISTS OF 473 STORY TOWNHOMES. THE TOWNHOMES LAYOUT EFFICIENTLY ACROSS THE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE TEN BUILDINGS, WITH 4 OR 5 TOWNHOMES IN EACH BUILDING AND A TWO CAR SIDE BY SIDE GARAGE. THE FRONT ENTRANCES TO THE TOWNHOMES IN EACH BUILDING FACE EACH OTHER,

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FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE. THE COMMERCIAL SPACE IS DESIGNED WITH FLEXIBILITY TO BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM THE TOWNHOME, ENABLING THE OWNER TO LEASE THE SPACE TO A BUSINESS OWNER. TWO OF THESE COMMERCIAL SPACES ARE 469FT■!S AND TWO ARE 946FT■!S AND CAN ACCOMMODATE VARIOUS USES, INCLUDING A LIGHT SERVICE, RESTAURANT OR CAFE. THE INDOOR SPACE SEAMLESSLY TRANSITIONS TO THE OUTDOOR CENTRAL COURTYARD, WITH SEATING AND PLANTING AREAS TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PATRONS TO LINGER AND LOUNGE. THE THEME FOR THE BUILDINGS IS SPANISH MISSION ARCHITECTURE, WHICH FITS WELL WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF POWAY'S ARCHITECTURAL THEME.

THIS THEME IS EXECUTED THROUGH THE USE OF S TILE, GABLE AND HIP ROOFS. BALCONIES WITH EXPOSED TIMBER COLUMNS, CORBELS AND HEADERS. BETWEEN THESE ELEMENTS. ON THE BALCONIES THERE ARE ORNAMENTAL WROUGHT IRON RAILINGS, ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ACCENTS ON THE BUILDINGS REFLECT A BALANCED USE OF ARCHED ENTRIES, WOOD HEADERS, POT SHELVES AND SHUTTERS. THESE ACCENTS COMBINE WITH THE SINGLE HUNG VERTICAL ASPECT WINDOWS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SPANISH THEMED ARCHITECTURE, WHILE PLACED WINDOW RECESSES ALSO PROVIDE DEPTH AND SHADOW LINE TO EACH OF THE BUILDINGS. THE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL COMPONENT WILL PROMOTE A MIX OF USES SUCH AS COFFEE SHOPS, DELIS, BOUTIQUES, SMALL OFFICES AND YOGA STUDIOS, WHICH WILL ACTIVATE THE STREET WITH PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, OUTDOOR COURTYARD SEATING AREAS AND LANDSCAPING. SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING FRONTAGE WILL BE PERMITTED FOR THE BUSINESSES. THE BUILDINGS WILL BE HUMAN SCALED AND DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE THIS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETSCAPE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WITH STOREFRONT GLASS WINDOWS AND ENTRANCES DIRECTLY FACING THE STREET WIDE SIDEWALKS, CONSISTENT STREET TREE PLANTING AND VISUALLY APPEALING BUILDINGS WILL SUPPORT THE PEDESTRIAN CHARACTER AND WALKABILITY OF THE TOWN CENTER. WE HAVE WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CITY AND COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO DESIGN A PROJECT THAT FITS WITHIN THE FABRIC AND FRAMEWORK OF POWAY. IN NOVEMBER 2024, WE ATTENDED A PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE, AND IN JULY 2025, WE HOSTED A COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND FALL, WE MET WITH SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THE PROJECT ON WEDNESDAY DRIVE. OUR INTENT WAS TO EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. ONE CONCERN WE HEARD FROM SEVERAL NEIGHBORS WAS PRIVACY. TO HELP MITIGATE THIS CONCERN, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM TO REDESIGN AND INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL AT THE REAR OF THE SITE TO MEASURE SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. THE WALL NOW MATCHES THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL THAT IS BUILT AT THE REAR OF THE ADJACENT POWAY COMMONS PROJECT.

IN CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO THANK CITY COUNCIL FOR THE THOUGHTFUL INPUT AND FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM OUR STUDY SESSION AND THE COLLABORATIVE APPROACH STAFF HAS TAKEN WITH OUR TEAM. IT HAS BEEN AN ITERATIVE PROCESS OVER THE PAST YEAR TO DESIGN A MIXED USE BUILDING WITH GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IS PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AND MEETS THE INTENT OF THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SARAH. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS FOR COMMENT. WE'LL START WITH THE ONLINE COMMENTERS. FIRST ONE, CHRIS CRUZ.

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AND I ASSURE YOU IT DID NOT. WE NEED TO GET SOME INTEGRITY BACK INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS. WE CAN DO THAT BY REVISING THE SPECIFIC PLANS TO REMOVE INCENTIVES AND ARBITRARY ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS FROM THE PLAN. HAVE AN OBJECTIVE SET OF RULES THAT EVERY DEVELOPER HAS TO FILE. INTERPRET THE RULES THE SAME FOR EVERY DEVELOPER. THEN DEVELOPERS CAN CHOOSE WHETHER THEY WANT TO BUILD, WHAT THE RULES ALLOW, OR THEY CAN CHOOSE TO BUILD A BONUS DENSITY PLAN, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO THREATEN TO BUILD A BONUS DENSITY PLAN IF THE RULES AREN'T CHANGED TO SUIT THEM. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT HUNDREDS OF HOUSING UNITS HAVE BEEN BUILT AND OCCUPIED ON POWAY ROAD, BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE ACTIVE COMMERCIAL VENUE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT AND OCCUPIED SINCE THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN WAS APPROVED. IN MY OPINION, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN IS A COMPLETE FAILURE. IT'S ALSO VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS BEEN SITTING ON A REQUEST TO BRING BACK A REPORT ON CHANGING THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. FOR 14 MONTHS. THE COUNCIL IS FAILING TO DO RIGHT BY THE RESIDENTS, AND APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT IS FURTHER EVIDENCE OF THAT. NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE ANNA CHAMBERS ON VIRTUAL. YES. HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANNA CHAMBERS AND I AM A RESIDENT. MY MOTHER LIVES AT APOLLO. SHE LIVES AT APOLLO APARTMENTS, THE AFFORDABLE SENIOR COMMUNITY NEXT TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AS OTHER PROJECTS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE AREA, HER RENT HAS ALREADY INCREASED BECAUSE IT IS TIED TO THE RISING AREA MEDIAN INCOME. HER FIXED INCOME HAS NOT INCREASED AT THE SAME RATE. POLO IS SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE LOW INCOME SENIOR HOUSING, BUT CONTINUE TO RENT INCREASES ARE MAKING IT UNAFFORDABLE, AND SENIORS ARE BEING FINANCIALLY PUSHED OUT OF HOUSING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY CREATED FOR THEM. MY ASK IS PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT COULD WORSEN THIS AFFORDABILITY PROBLEM. SO I WOULD I'M JUST OPPOSED FOR THIS PROJECT. DOCTOR 25-002 AND TT. M25-0002. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT SPEAKER, WE NOW GO TO IN PERSON SPEAKERS BOB WALTER. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE APRIL 3RD, 2026 LETTER SUBMITTED BY COX CASTLE AND NICHOLSON ON BEHALF OF INTERCORP. WHILE THE LETTER PRESENTS AN AGGRESSIVE LEGAL INTERPRETATION OF CALIFORNIA HOUSING LAW, IT SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED AS THE FINAL WORD ON EITHER EITHER THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ACT OR THE POWAY ROAD CORRIDOR SPECIFIC PLAN. SB 330 IS AT THE HEART OF INNER INNER CORE ARGUMENT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SB 330 ACTUALLY FREEZES AND WHAT IT DOES NOT. SB 330 IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE CERTAINTY TO HOUSING DEVELOPERS. ONCE A QUALIFYING PRELIMINARY APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, THE CITY CANNOT CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, POLICIES OR ORDINANCES THAT APPLY TO THE PROJECT. THE DISPUTE IS NOT WHETHER SB 330 APPLIES. THE DISPUTE IS WHAT VESTED STANDARD ACTUALLY MEANS. INTERCORP SAYS THAT THE PRC SP SAYS THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, MEANING THE EXISTING LEGAL PROPERTY LINE. INSTEAD, THE CITY SHOULD ARGUE THAT THE STANDARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN INTERPRETED IN CONJUNCTION WITH LEGAL RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS. THE PROJECT MUST COMPLY WITH ALL ADOPTED PROVISIONS OF THE PRC, SB AND MEASURING FROM THE ULTIMATE FRONTAGE AS PART OF APPLYING THE EXISTING STANDARD, NOT CREATING A NEW ONE. THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF STATUTORY AND PLAN INTERPRETATION. AND

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS HIMANSHU UPADHYAYA. I'M LIVING AT 12893 CARRIAGE HEIGHTS, POWAY ROAD, WHICH IS THE WEST SIDE OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROJECT IS VERY NICE. I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I HAVE ONE CONCERN IF THIS PROJECT HAS DONE SOME KIND OF A 3D LINE OF SIGHT ANALYSIS, BECAUSE THIS MAY BLOCK OUR VIEW WITH RESPECT TO THE SUNRISE MOUNTAIN OVER THERE, I THINK I HAVE THE SAME SITUATION WITH RESPECT TO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HEALTH CARE. AND THEIR ARCHITECT CAME TO OUR PLACE, THEY LOOKED AT IT, AND THEN THEY HAVE LOWERED THEIR ROOF LINES BY THREE FEET. AT THAT TIME, THEIR CABLING WAS SIX FOOT. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT IS THEY HAVE DONE ANY 3D LINE OF SIGHT STRUCTURE ANALYSIS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A. THIS MOUNTAIN VIEW REMAINS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOE SAINT LUCAS. JOE. SAINT LUCAS, POWAY. I'LL WIND UP HAVING A QUESTION, BUT I'LL NEED TO KIND OF PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE. YOU KNOW, THE TALKING TO NEIGHBORS AND TAKING THEIR INPUT, WHICH IS ALWAYS A GREAT THING, YOU KNOW, AND ETC. AND SO TONIGHT, ONCE YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS, THIS IS WHEN WE'LL SAY, I WANT TO SAY THE FEES WILL BE FIXED, OR AT LEAST THE BUILDING PERMITS CAN START TO BE ISSUED AND ALL THAT. SO MY QUESTION IS ITEM 83 ON PAGE 28 TALKS ABOUT THE IN LIEU FEES.

BUILDING PERMITS SHALL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THE. IN LIEU FEES ARE PAID. WHAT. HOW MUCH ARE THE. IN LIEU FEES? THEY USED TO BE $500 PER UNIT. AND THEN ON MAY 19TH THEY WERE CHANGED TO $5 A SQUARE FOOT, EFFECTIVE 60 DAYS FROM THE MEETING. 60 DAYS WAS THIS LAST WEEKEND. SO TO ME IT WOULD SEEM THAT INSTEAD OF A $500 PER UNIT IN LIEU FEE, IT SHOULD BE $5 PER SQUARE FOOT.

BUT IT DOESN'T MENTION THAT ANYWHERE IN THE AGENDA ITEM. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE CHARGED THE $5 PER SQUARE FOOT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, KENNY FAULKNER.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBERS. AS A POWAY HOMEOWNER AND VOTER, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. MY FAMILY HAS CALLED POWAY HOME FOR GENERATIONS, AND MY WIFE AND I RAISED TWO CHILDREN IN THE POWWOW UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.

FORGIVE ME, I'M TERRIFIED STANDING UP HERE. OVER THE YEARS, I'VE SERVED AS A CLASSROOM VOLUNTEER COACH WITH POWAY NATIONAL LITTLE LEAGUE, POWAY SOCCER PARK AND POWWOW YOUTH BASKETBALL LEAGUE, AND FOUNDED A MINISTRY THROUGH MY CHURCH. I'VE INVESTED MUCH OF MY LIFE IN THIS COMMUNITY. I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT ITS FUTURE. POWAY FACES A GROWING NEED FOR MODERN, SAFE HOUSING. OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS, HOUSING COSTS HAVE INCREASED TO THE POINT WHERE MANY WORKING FAMILIES, EVEN THOSE WHO GREW UP HERE, CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO STAY,

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AND VOTES LIKE TONIGHT'S. YOU ARE CORRECT. BUT THE PROJECT NEARLY ENDED IN LITIGATION OVER WHERE THE PLAN MEASURES 40FT FROM, AND TONIGHT'S REPORT MEETS THE COMMERCIAL GOAL BY COUNTING PATIOS AS COMMERCIALLY SUPPORTIVE, A TERM THE PLAN NEVER DEFINED. THOSE ARE DRAFTING PROBLEMS, AND DRAFTING IS WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY. YOU PREVIOUSLY DIRECTED STAFF TO EXAMINE AMENDMENTS TO THIS PLAN. STANDARDS. PLEASE DELIVER THAT REPORT WITH DEFINITIONS THAT CLARIFY THE PLAN'S PROMISES NOT TO SHRINK THEM. I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP, MA'AM, SO THAT THE NEXT NEGOTIATION STARTS FROM CLEAR TEXT INSTEAD OF A LETTER, A LAWYER'S LETTER. THANK YOU.

GAYA SORROW. HELLO, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS GUY ASARO. MY ADDRESS IS 13089 OLYMPUS CIRCLE, POWAY. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING WHILE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. MY COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY ARE ABOUT THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AS THE PLANNER DID, THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL IN 2017, ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO, AND WHILE THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE PLAN, IT WAS IN FACT NOT THE COUNCIL'S PLAN. THAT PLAN WAS CREATED BY THE COMMUNITY OVER THREE YEARS, 18 WORKSHOPS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS. IT WAS A ROBUST EFFORT THAT RE-ENVISIONED WHAT POWAY ROAD

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CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS PAUL PARIKH. I WANT TO BEGIN BY RECOGNIZING THE THOUGHTFUL, DISCIPLINED WORK THIS COUNCIL CONTINUES TO DO. YOUR COMMITMENT IS TO RESPONSIBLY GROW AND PROTECT POV'S CHARACTER AND IS CLEAR IN YOUR DECISIONS YOU'RE MAKING. I AM HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED 47 UNIT COMMUNITY, A PROJECT DESIGNED WITH PAR VALUE AT THE CENTER FOR. THE PROJECT ADDS HIGH QUALITY, WELL SCALED HOUSING THAT FITS POWAY. IT'S NOT OVERLY DENSE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GIVES FAMILIES, SENIORS AND LOCAL PROFESSIONALS A CHANCE TO LIVE AND CONTRIBUTE RIGHT HERE IN OUR CITY. SECOND, IT STRENGTHENS ECONOMY. NEW RESIDENTS SUPPORT OUR RESTAURANTS, SMALL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, CREATING LONG TERM STABILITY AND INCREASED LOCAL REVENUE. THIRD, THE DESIGN EMPHASIZES BEAUTY, SAFETY, AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY. THE CHARACTER BLENDS WITH PARVEZ'S ESTHETIC. THE LANDSCAPE ENHANCES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, TRAFFIC, PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS EXCEED CITY STANDARDS. THIS PROJECT ELEVATES THE AREA AROUND IT. FOURTH, IT HELPS PAVE MEET ITS STATE MANDATED HOUSING GOALS WHILE PROTECTING THE CITY'S IDENTITY. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF RESPONSIBLE, WELL-DESIGNED PROJECT THAT SHOWS HOW POWAY CAN GROW WITHOUT LOSING WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL. THE CITY IN THE. YEAH.

AND IMPORTANTLY, INTRACORP HAS BEEN AN OUTSTANDING PARTNER. THEY LISTENED TO COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, RESPONDED TO CONCERNS, AND MADE MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON INPUT FROM RESIDENTS AND CITY STAFF. THEIR COLLABORATIVE APPROACH REFLECTS THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PARTNER POWAY DESERVES. FINALLY, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CITY COUNCIL'S DILIGENCE AND IN CLOSING, THE 47 UNIT COMMUNITY IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WELCOME NEW FAMILIES, SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND CONTINUE ITS TRADITION OF SMART, BEAUTIFUL, RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND YOU GUYS HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL OPPORTUNITY TO CALL IT UNDER YOUR WATCH. WE ALL DO HERE IN THE ROOM, SO PLEASE APPROVE THIS PROJECT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. THANK YOU.

BOB RULE. ANY PROBLEMS GONE. SO OKAY. FINAL SPEAKER IS ANGELA FORSTER. HELLO. MAYOR VOSS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I GET TO WRAP UP THE NIGHT. I AM FOR THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. MY FAMILY IS THREE GENERATIONS STRONG OF POWAY HIGH GRADUATES. MY GRANDPARENTS.

EXCUSE ME, MY NERVOUSNESS. MY GRANDPARENTS WERE SOME OF THE FIRST PORTIONS HERE, BUILDING THEIR HOME BEFORE THERE WERE EVEN PAVED ROADS. MY ROOTS ARE STRONG IN POWAY. I. I LOVE HOWIE AND I'M SO DEEPLY ROOTED HERE. SORRY. COME BACK TO THAT. THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY DONE ON POWAY ROAD AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS ARE ADDING TO THE CLASS. AND THE

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I'M ALREADY GETTING LOTS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. THESE PARCELS ARE LISTED IN THE CITY'S RESIDENTIAL SITES INVENTORY LIST, AS MENTIONED ON PAGE THREE OF THE REPORT. SO APPROVAL REQUIRES THE IDENTIFICATION OF A REPLACEMENT SITE TO RELOCATE THE UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BIG STONE LODGE IS ALSO ON OUR RESIDENTIAL SITES INVENTORY LIST, SO IF A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT SITE EXISTS, IT SHOULD BE USED TO FREE BIG STONE LODGE FROM THAT INCUMBENT INSTEAD OF TO EXCUSE INTRACORP FROM FULFILLING THEIR OBLIGATION TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT FOR CAPITULATING TO LEGAL THREATS. THE THREAT THAT INTRACORP MADE WAS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO CONSIDERING THAT THE STATE MANDATES THAT WE BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M NOT MOVED BY THAT THREAT. COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON. OKAY. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN CENTER AREA ON POWAY ROAD, SO I THINK IT DESERVES TO BE EXAMINED FROM ALL ANGLES AND HAVE ALL THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED THAT WERE BROUGHT UP HERE TONIGHT. AND SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE GOT VIA EMAIL AND DIRECTLY FROM SOME FOLKS. SO WE OWE THAT TO THE RESIDENTS. WE OWE THAT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE STAFF AND TO THE APPLICANT. SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND I APPRECIATE MY COUNCIL MEMBERS PATIENCE AS I GO THROUGH THESE. I'LL TRY TO BE CONCISE AS I CAN. I DO WANT TO THANK INTERCORP FOR HEARING THE COMMUNITY INPUT. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A WHILE HERE, AND IN INCORPORATING THE CHANGES INTO THE DESIGN THAT IS NOT LOST ON US AND ON THE COMMUNITY, BY THE WAY. AND WE'RE HERE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION, THOUGH, BASED ON THE PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED TODAY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. COUNCIL MEMBER MIGHT HAVE

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WE WOULD START WITH BUILDINGS ONE AND TEN AND TWO, WHICH FRONT POWAY ROAD. AND THEN RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO MOVE AROUND THE SITE IN A CLOCKWISE MOTION TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. IN TERMS OF ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION NOISE OUT HERE, THERE ARE REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED TO USE. WE WOULD ALSO HAVE DUST CONTROL OUT HERE, STREET SWEEPING TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY. OKAY. IF I COULD ADD A FEW ITEMS RELATED TO THAT QUESTION AS WELL. SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, THE POWAY PASEO AND THE FAIRFIELD PROJECT, ARE WELL UNDERWAY GOING VERTICAL ALREADY. THIS PROJECT HAS NOT GONE THROUGH GRADING PLAN REVIEW OR BUILDING PLAN REVIEW. SO THERE IS A LENGTHY PROCESS BEFORE WE CAN EXPECT IT TO GET STARTED. I WOULD EXPECT THAT POWAY PASEO WOULD BE LARGELY COMPLETE. AND FAIRFIELD MAY BE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY CLOSE TO BEING COMPLETE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE AS MUCH OVERLAP AS YOU THINK JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIMING THAT IT TAKES TO, TO, TO PREPARE THOSE PLANS. BUT BUT STAFF WOULD CERTAINLY COORDINATE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING CLOSURES THAT OCCUR, YOU KNOW, THAT CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER. THIS IS LUCKILY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT MUCH EASIER FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. CURRENTLY, THE TWO PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING NOW ARE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY COORDINATE THAT TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ONLY ONE LANE CLOSURE HAPPENS AT ANY TIME AND THAT THOSE CLOSURES, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THE PEAK HOURS. THANK YOU. OKAY.

WITH REGARD TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, THE COURTYARDS CAME UP. QUESTIONS ABOUT INCLUDING THAT AS PART OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, STAFF OR APPLICANT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT COUNTS? AND I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HAS BEEN DONE ANYWHERE ELSE IN POWAY, BUT JUST KIND OF TALK US THROUGH THAT. ABSOLUTELY. SO I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH THE INTENT OF THE VISION HERE, AND THAT IS TO ACTIVATE THESE FRONT AREAS. AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE DEVELOPER CAME UP WITH A CREATIVE IDEA THAT VERY MUCH ALIGNS WITH THE GOAL OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN. ESSENTIALLY, THEY TOOK WHAT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN SPACE THAT THEY COULD MONETIZE AND SELL AND RENT, AND THEY CONVERTED IT TO OPEN QUASI PUBLIC SPACE FOR THE BENEFIT AND ENJOYMENT OF EVERYONE. AND SO I THINK THAT THESE AREAS ARE AMENITIZED TO SUPPORT THE COMMERCIAL USES AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. WE'VE LEARNED A LOT.

WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE FAIRFIELD AND ITS BROKERS MONTHLY, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IS THAT THESE OUTDOOR COURTYARDS ARE GOING TO NOT JUST HELP THERE BE MORE OF AN ACTIVATED STOREFRONT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HELP ENSURE THAT THOSE COMMERCIAL SPACES ARE SUCCESSFUL AND THEY'RE RENTABLE. SO WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT THESE SPACES ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY GO TO EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS, WHICH IS TO ACTIVATE THOSE STOREFRONTS TO BRING PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE IN. AND WE THINK THAT THE COURTYARD SPACES ARE CERTAINLY APPLICABLE, AS WAS THE PARK ON THE FAIRFIELD ONE PROJECT. AGAIN, A PUBLIC AMENITY, AN AREA FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER AND TO HELP THOSE COMMERCIAL SPACES BE EVEN MORE SUCCESSFUL. OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING ELEMENT. I BELIEVE IN YOUR

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IT WOULD REDUCE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE'D HAVE MORE THAN 50 STILL SURPLUS. SO WE BASICALLY BEAT THE 180 DAY CLOCK TO IDENTIFY. YES. YEAH. AND WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A MINOR ADJUSTMENT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW THAT THIS SITE IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. BUT IDENTIFYING NEW SITES WON'T BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A SURPLUS. OKAY. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I'M ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS THAT WERE HERE TONIGHT. OKAY? JUST DON'T MAKE SURE I'M NOT MISSING ANYTHING. SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THE QUESTIONS. SOME MORE MAY COME UP AFTER YOU GUYS ARE DONE, BUT I THINK THAT THE TOWN CENTER AREAS, THESE ARE THE LINCHPIN OF THE PALI ROAD DEVELOPMENT. AND PER THE SPECIFIC PLAN. AND I JUST WANT TO READ THAT THAT VISION OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T DUSTED OFF THAT PLAN IN A WHILE. THE PALI ROAD CORRIDOR IS ENVISIONED AS AN ECONOMICALLY VIBRANT, FAMILY ORIENTED SOCIAL AND CULTURAL CENTER FOR POWAY, A UNIQUE DESTINATION THAT SERVES THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THOUGHTFUL DESIGN, UNIQUE SHOPPING AND DINING EXPERIENCES, LIVELY ACTIVITIES, AND A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES. IT'S DISTINCT CITY IN THE COUNTRY. CHARACTER CREATES THE CORRIDOR AS A PLACE WHERE RESIDENTS, WORKERS, VISITORS AND TOURISTS ARE DRAWN TO GATHER, ENJOY, LIVE AND CELEBRATE THE COMMUNITY. AND I BELIEVE ONE OF ONE OF OUR LAST SPEAKERS REALLY KIND OF COMMUNICATED THAT QUITE WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF HE LIVES NEARBY OR IF YOU'RE STILL HERE, BUT I THINK HE I THINK HE FELT THAT IN THIS THIS PROJECT. SO IT'S, IT'S IT'S REACHING PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT WHEN INTRACORP CAME FORWARD AND MET WITH STAFF AND RESIDENTS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND YOU RECEIVED SOME REALLY HONEST FEEDBACK, AND I'M SURE IT WASN'T EASY TO HEAR, BUT YOU WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. AND THEN FEBRUARY 2026 COMES AROUND AND YOU'RE READY WITH A NEW PLAN, BUT IT WAS GOING TO FALL SHORT OF EXPECTATIONS. AND SO YOU REGROUPED AGAIN. AND THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, THERE ARE REALLY TWO KEY EVALUATION CRITERIA FOR A PLAN LIKE THIS. DOES IT MEET THE VISION OF THE ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN THAT I JUST READ? AND DOES IT MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR A TOWN CENTER ON ROAD, AS WELL AS THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE MUNICIPAL CODE? AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, THIS PROJECT, IT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS IN NEARLY ALL ASPECTS. I'M LOOKING AT TABLE TWO OF THE REPORT, THE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE FRONTAGE IS GREAT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WERE ENVISIONING WITH THE SPECIFIC PLAN, THE 20 FOOT SETBACKS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ALL THE WAY ACROSS, I THINK IT CREATES THAT THOSE SETBACKS THAT PEOPLE WANT AND HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, IT CREATES A VIBRANT SETTING FOR BUSINESSES. I LIKE THE SPANISH MISSION STYLE. REALLY COOL. THE ARTICULATED FRONTS ARE GREAT. I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOING TO GO A LONG WAY TO KIND OF OPEN UP THAT CORRIDOR VISUALLY. COMMENTS. WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT SOME OTHER PROJECTS, THE LOWER THAN ALLOWABLE DENSITY BELOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT, THE DENSITY BONUS WAIVERS. THERE ARE ALWAYS AN OPTION FOR DEVELOPERS. AND THIS PRODUCT PROJECT HAS NONE. AND IN FACT, THE PROJECT GOT EVEN BETTER. WE GOT MORE COMMERCIAL. WE GOT DESIGNATED PARKING TO SUPPORT COMMERCIAL, WHICH WAS A BIG. A BIG POINT OF CONTENTION FOR PEOPLE WITH THE, WITH PREVIOUS PLAN THAT YOU HAD. AND IT WAS. MR. ASARO BROUGHT UP PATIENTS.

AND I THINK BASED ON THE SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND SOME THAT

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COUNCILMEMBER PICUS. I'M GOING TO START BY SAYING THAT I WAS SURPRISED BY ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS I HEARD TONIGHT. I FIGURED I'D BE IN A TSUNAMI OF NEGATIVE PUBLIC OPINION. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HAVE A FEW MUNDANE QUESTIONS AND I'LL START GIVING GIVING MY OPINIONS AND STUFF. FIRST OF ALL, THESE COURTYARDS IN FRONT OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, IF WE'RE COUNTING AS COMMERCIAL SPACE, DO THE BUSINESSES HAVE TO PAY PROPERTY TAX ON THAT? SO LET'S SEE THE THE IT WOULD BE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND IT WOULD BE OWNED BY THE HOA, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO THEY WOULD THE HOA WOULD PAY TAXES ON THOSE AREAS. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I GUESS SO, BECAUSE IF WE'RE COUNTING IT AS COMMERCIAL, THEN IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE TAXED AS COMMERCIAL. AND PEOPLE BENEFITING DIRECTLY WOULD PROBABLY SHOULD BE PAYING IT. OR YOU'RE SAYING THE HOA IS JUST GOING TO PAY THE TAX BILL AND DIVVY IT UP AMONGST ALL THE OWNERS. YES. AND THE HOA WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THOSE SPACES TO BE SURE THAT THE AMENITIES CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC. AND THAT INCLUDES THE GAS FOR THE FIRE FEATURE, RIGHT? YES. I HAD TO ASK BECAUSE IT JUST POPPED INTO MY HEAD. SECOND, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PARKING FOR BUSINESS IS RESTRICTED TO ONLY BUSINESS PATRONS DURING BUSINESS HOURS.

AND THEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE MATERIAL AND YOU HAD EXAMPLE SIGNAGE OF 8 TO 6 P.M.

IS THAT THE BUSINESS HOURS OR WHAT? IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BE OPEN LATE? NO. SO THE THE PROJECT IS CONDITIONED TO PREPARE A PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN AT THE INITIAL STAGES THAT WILL BE SUBJECT TO CONTINUED REVIEW THROUGHOUT TIME. AND SO WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH THE DEVELOPER TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE BUSINESSES, WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE HOURS? THE CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THOSE HOURS WILL BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE TENANT PREFERENCES. SO WE'LL HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO ENSURE THAT WE KEEP THOSE SPACES AVAILABLE DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS, OPERATING HOURS FOR WHATEVER BUSINESSES END UP MOVING INTO THOSE SPACES. AND JUST FOR THE EDIFICATION OF EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE SOME IRONCLAD RULES FROM THE HOA THAT YOU HAVE TO USE THE GARAGE, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY JUST TURN IT INTO YOUR STORAGE SPACE. YES.

AND INTERCORP SHARED THAT WITH US, THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR CARS A PRETTY STRICT POLICY THAT THAT REQUIRES A PICTURES OF THE GARAGES EACH MONTH TO CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING GARAGE SPACE. SO THOSE ARE IMPORTANT PROVISIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE OPEN DOWN THE DRIVE AISLE REMAIN OPEN FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT FOR YEARS. EVEN BEFORE I WAS SITTING UP HERE AND I WAS OUT THERE, I WENT TO THE WAYBACK MACHINE ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND LOOKED AT THE VIDEO FROM NOVEMBER OF 2024 WHERE I SPOKE ABOUT THIS. AND LOOKING BACK, I CAME OFF MORE NEUTRAL THAN I THOUGHT I DID IN MY MEMORY. SO BACK THEN I WAS FAVORABLY DISPOSED TO THIS AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE PRETTY GOOD

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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DID HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, I REMEMBER SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE MY CONSTITUENTS THAT LIVED BEHIND THERE. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE BACKYARD WAS GOING TO BORDER UP THERE. AND YOU GUYS PUT IN A SIX FOOT WALL AND A LITTLE BROW DITCH FOR DRAINAGE. SO APPRECIATE THAT AND LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS. SO THIS PROJECT HAS EVOLVED. THE COMMERCIAL SPACE GOT MORE COMMERCIAL AND YOU HAVE RULES NOW FOR THE PARKING.

BECAUSE I WAS CONVINCED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO PATRONIZE THOSE BUSINESSES. AND I THINK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE IRONCLAD HOA RULES. SO THAT WAS GOOD. AND I'VE BEEN ASSURED THAT PARKING IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THE OTHER PROJECTS AT INTRACORP IS DONE. SO I TAKE THEIR WORD FOR THAT ON THAT ONE. AND A LOT OF THE COMMENTS I'VE GOT, WELL, THE NEGATIVE ONES TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON POWAY ROAD, AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE CITY ENGINEER ESTIMATES THAT THERE WAS, WHAT, 296, YOU KNOW, CAR TRIPS A DAY, WHICH FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IF YOU BACK OUT OF YOUR GARAGE AND DRIVE OFF, THAT'S ONE CAR TRIP. AND WHEN YOU COME HOME IN THE EVENING, THAT'S ANOTHER. SO IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS MORE LIKE HALF OF THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER ACTUAL USE. AND IF SOMEONE COMES UP TO USE THE BUSINESS AND THEY PARK, THAT'S ONE TRIP AND THEN THEY GET A CUP OF COFFEE AND THEN THEY LEAVE, THAT'S ANOTHER TRIP. SO 296 IS PRACTICALLY NOT THAT MANY. AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC ON POWAY ROAD, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, SEEMED TO SENSE. AND COMMUNITY IN TWIN PEAKS IS PEOPLE FROM THE 67 TRYING TO GET SHORTCUT TO THE 15. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET. AND AS I THINK THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER CONCLUDED, IS PROBABLY NEGLIGIBLE ON THAT ACCOUNT. LET'S SEE, HIGH ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. AGAIN, AS THE PRESENTATION HAD POINTED OUT, THIS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIES WITH IT. THEY DID GET A HEIGHT INCENTIVE BECAUSE THEY CONSOLIDATED TWO LOTS, AND THAT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF CURB CUT OUTS AND TRAFFIC COMPLICATIONS. AND SO THAT WAS GOOD. AND THE ONLY REAL CONCESSION GRANTED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A DEPTH REQUIREMENT FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, WHICH WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE ON A 500 SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEN YOU'D BE AT LIKE 15FT BY 40FT. AND IT JUST WASN'T A VERY REALISTIC SIZE. AND SAME WITH THE CEILING HEIGHTS, AGAIN, PROBABLY DIDN'T NEED THAT MUCH. 14 FOOT CEILING, IF YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE MART OR A COFFEE SHOP. SO THAT'S GOOD TO.

SO THERE'S THE EXCEPTIONS. I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PLAN. I SEE. I WAS HEARTENED TO HEAR A LOT OF THE OTHER MEMBERS IN PUBLIC COMMENT MENTIONED THAT THEY THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND IT REALLY IS. IT KIND OF YOU KNOW, IT'S TOTALLY THAT MEDITERRANEAN THING. AND IF I LOOK AT THAT PICTURE THAT WE HAD UP ON THE SCREEN A FEW MINUTES AGO AND KIND OF IMAGINE THAT POWAY ROAD WASN'T THERE, AND IT WAS JUST A COBBLESTONE PROMENADE. AND THIS WAS A BEACHFRONT AND DEFINITELY BE MEDITERRANEAN. SO REALLY LIKE THAT THING. FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION NOISE AND BLOCKING TRAFFIC, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE VERY PROUD OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S DONE. AND NOW I WANT TO TALK A BIT ABOUT INTRACORP, WHICH IS A LEADING FIRM SPECIALIZING IN INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY DEVELOPING A VACANT LOT INSIDE A CITY WHERE IT'S ALL SURROUNDED BY BUILT UP STUFF AND MAKING IT FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS A BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN BUILDING A SUBDIVISION AT THE EDGE OF TOWN WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, COW PASTURES. SO IT TAKES A LOT OF EXPERTISE. THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT THIS. I THINK LAST YEAR I GOT THIS REALLY NICE BROCHURE FROM THEM, AND IT HAS IT HAS ILLUSTRATIONS OF SOME OF THEIR OTHER PROJECTS, AND THEY REALLY ARE PRETTY STUNNING. AND THEY FIT RIGHT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND A LOT OF THESE PICTURES ARE FROM THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, BUT THERE ARE A FEW FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. AND SO INTRACORP MAY BE THE BEST DEVELOPER POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN FOR THIS LOT. AND FINALLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. I THINK WE'VE ALL ALLUDED TO IT BEFORE, WAS THAT FAMOUS LETTER THAT CAME ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO

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AND THEY'RE RIGHT. THEY CAN DO THAT. AND I THINK THEY ONCE STATED THEY COULD MAKE MORE MONEY IF THEY DID, BUT THEY'RE DOING THIS ONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY PREFER TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S ATTRACTIVE AND BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I THINK THIS WILL ENHANCE THE REPUTATION. AND LET'S FACE IT, ALL OF US UP HERE KNEW ABOUT THE DENSITY BONUS OPTION. WE DIDN'T NEED TO BE REMINDED THAT LETTER WAS THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TO REALIZE THAT WHAT THE NUCLEAR OPTION COULD HAVE BEEN, AND THAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING A LOT WORSE. INTRACORP HAS ALREADY PUT A COUPLE MILLION BUCKS INTO THIS ALREADY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING. AND IF IT'S NOT LIKE THIS, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE AS MUCH. SO EVEN IF I DIDN'T LIKE THIS PROJECT, I'D STILL BE IN FAVOR OF IT. AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST PROPOSAL WE'RE GOING TO SEE.

AND I MOTION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DORFF. GUYS, DON'T LEAVE ME MUCH.

ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO. PERHAPS THERE WAS A PLAN. SO ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO THANK MARY. THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION. IT WAS. PEOPLE SHOULD ACTUALLY GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. THERE WAS ALL THESE LITTLE SNIPPETS OF INFORMATION. I COULD SEE WHERE THEY CAME FROM. AND THERE WERE ANSWERS TO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE GETTING IN LETTERS. GREAT CROWD. GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL HERE. IT'S OFTENTIMES SORT OF A GHOST TOWN HERE. AND SO WHEN WE GET DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ACTUALLY GET SOME PEOPLE TO COME BY AND SEE HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. AND THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT STARTED IN LIKE 2024 AND THIS PROJECT HAS CHANGED A HUGE AMOUNT. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY DUE TO THE PUBLIC'S PARTICIPATION IN THE PROJECT. WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK HERE IN POWAY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OTHER CITIES. THAT REALLY EMPOWERS PEOPLE AND GIVES THEM VOICE WHEN THEY ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE IN THAT IN THAT STRUCTURE. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, I SEE IT AS PROVIDING THAT MISSING MIDDLE OF HOUSING AND IN A WAY THAT THE, THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN REALLY IS DESIGNED TO DO THAT FOR WHEN IT'S TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, WHICH IS REALLY THROUGH ATTAINABLE MARKET RATE HOUSING WITH LOCAL CONTROL, WITH OUR POWAY FLAVOR. SO AND THROUGH, I THINK ACTUALLY ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, THROUGH A LOT OF NEGOTIATION, WE'RE A LOT CLOSER TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN THERE IN SOME RESPECTS TO THE TOWN CENTER ACTIVATION, YOU KNOW, CONCEPT AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THE LETTER THAT THEIR ATTORNEY SENT TO US AND WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS MAYBE A MONTH AND A HALF AGO CONCERNING THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY IT WAS ACTUALLY A GHOST TOWN IN HERE BACK THEN. AND IT WAS A DISCUSSION SORT OF ABOUT HOW THE STATE HOUSING LAWS AND THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAWS INTERACT WITH THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. AND IT BECAME PRETTY CLEAR PRETTY FAST THAT SACRAMENTO REALLY DOESN'T LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT AND ABOUT THE ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN AND ABOUT THE TIMING OF THINGS, BECAUSE THE ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN WAS OR THE PRSP WAS PUT TOGETHER OR FINALIZED, I'M SORRY, IN 2017, WHICH COINCIDENTALLY WAS THE SAME YEAR THAT THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT CAME INTO BEING. AND YOU'LL NOTE WHEN MARY TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND ALAN HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST ABOUT PROJECTS THAT MEET ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN DOWN CRITERIA. YOU HAVE TO PASS THEM. AND IT STRUCK ME THAT IN SOME RESPECTS, WHETHER BY INTENT OR, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WAY IT IS, THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN SERVES AS A COUNTEROFFER TO WHAT THE WHAT SACRAMENTO IS TRYING TO DO TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. IT'S NOT A COMPROMISE BECAUSE THAT OFFER IS, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS ON THE TABLE. YOU CAN ALWAYS GO THAT WAY. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY UP TO US TO DEFEND OUR WAY OF LIFE. AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS AND ACTUALLY WROTE ABOUT THIS IN MY NEWSLETTER, WHICH LISA HAS OR LISA HAS GOTTEN, IF ANYBODY WANTS THAT, BY THE WAY, JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL. YOU CAN GET THE INSIDE SCOOP, BUT WE NEED TWO THINGS TO ACTUALLY DEFEND THAT WAY OF LIFE. AND THAT'S TO FIND THE RIGHT DEVELOPER AND TO FIND THE RIGHT DEVELOPER THAT LISTENS TO WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS, THAT THAT'S WHOSE GOAL IS TO ACTUALLY INTEGRATE INTO THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD A PROJECT THAT WORKS FOR THAT COMMUNITY. AND THERE ARE THERE GETTING TO BE A RARE BREED. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SOME OF THE OTHER KIND OF DEVELOPER IN POWAY, SOME OF WHICH YOU KNOW ABOUT, SOME OF WHICH YOU PROBABLY DON'T, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU USE THE STATE HOUSING LAWS, IT'S MINISTERIAL AND IT NEVER COMES HERE. YOU GUYS NEVER HAVE A VOICE. BUT THE SECOND THING THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED IS RESIDENT INVOLVEMENT. AND AS I MENTIONED, WE DID HAVE WE HAVE THAT STRUCTURE TO MAXIMIZE YOUR VOICE. AND WHEN I SAID THOSE WORDS AND WHEN I WROTE THOSE WORDS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO

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IT WAS IT WAS DIFFICULT. AND I GOT REPORTS ON THAT AND I APPRECIATE INTERCORP OR INTERCORP. I'M SORRY I KEEP CALLING YOU GUYS INTERCORP. BUT IT'S A INTERCORP FOR YOUR FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY AND YOUR DESIRE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, FIT WITHIN THE VISION OF THE PEOPLE. AND THERE'S, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES AND A LOT OF THINGS WERE LEARNED FROM THAT FIRST TRANCHE OF HOMES, OUR FIRST TRANCHE OF STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT. AND THIS IS PART OF THE SECOND ROUND. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HERE, ESPECIALLY LIVING UP ABOVE THIS, AND I THINK THERE WAS A LETTER TALKING ABOUT THIS, THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET AT SOME TIME IN THE MID-TERM FUTURE. SO WHEN IT COMES TIME TO PARTICIPATE, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THAT YOU DO SO BECAUSE YOUR VOICE ACTUALLY DOES MATTER THERE TO, YOU KNOW, BUT HERE WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME GREAT LETTERS LIKE MICHELLE LONG, SHE WROTE THIS LETTER POINTING OUT, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ABOUT THE GREASE TRAPS IN THE COMMERCIAL SPACES, ABOUT THE INCREASED COMMERCIAL SPACE, THE GREASE TRAPS. THAT IDEA CAME FROM THE FAIRFIELD PROJECT, ABOUT HOW WE WOULD MAKE HOW WE LOOK TO THE CHALLENGES THEY FACED AND IMPROVE THINGS ON OUR END HERE. AND WE ALSO IMPROVED BECAUSE OF THAT, THE CONTRACTING AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE MAXIMIZE THE THE CHANCE THAT THOSE COMMERCIAL PLACES GET OCCUPIED QUICKLY. AND, AND IN TERMS OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WAS SAYING WE NEED MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM. BUT SOME OF THE STUFF CAME FROM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, BEFORE EVEN THIS PROJECT EVEN SHOWED UP BEFORE YOU EVEN SAW THE FIRST VERSION OF THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, YOU KNOW, ANITA WAS CAMPAIGNING FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO GO DOOR TO DOOR AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HEAR PEOPLE TELL ME THEY REALLY LIKED WHAT THEY WERE SEEING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE BLIGHT AND THERE WAS BLIGHT DOWN THERE. IN FACT, BEFORE THAT, I HAD PEOPLE WHEN I WASN'T EVEN THINKING OF RUNNING IN CONVERSATION TELL ME THAT THEY HAD THEIR THEY TOLD THEIR CLIENTS TO TAKE A DIFFERENT ROUTE TO GET TO THEIR OFFICES TO AVOID POWAY ROAD, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THEM GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, THEIR POTENTIAL CLIENTS. BUT WHILE I WAS CAMPAIGNING, SOME OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAID, I REALLY LIKE WHAT I SEE THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, ALONG POWAY ROAD. BUT SOMETIMES IT FEELS A LITTLE CANYON LIKE. AND WHEN THEY WHEN THEY SPOKE ABOUT THAT, THEY WERE TALKING, OFTENTIMES I'D ASK THEM LIKE, WHERE IS THAT? AND THEY'D TALK ABOUT THE APOLLO PROJECT. AND THAT'S A DENSITY BONUS PROJECT. BY THE WAY. THERE WAS A THERE WAS A SETBACK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOSS OF COMMERCIAL. THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, REDUCED SETBACKS. AND THIS SECOND TRANCHE OF, OF. AND I BROUGHT THOSE COMMENTS TO STAFF AND THEY, THEY INTERNALIZED THEM. AND THE SECOND ROUND OF DEVELOPMENT DOES WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO REMOVE THAT FEELING. AND THAT'S THROUGH TWO THINGS. THE FIRST IS YOU REDUCE SOME OF THE BUILDING MASSING ON THE FRONT.

AND THE SECOND, I THINK THE MOST POWERFUL THING IS YOU INCREASE THE ARTICULATION OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S OUT IN THE FRONT, AND THAT GIVES YOU DEPTH OF DEPTH PERCEPTION AND AND GOOD SIGHT LINES. LIKE AN OPPOSITE OF THAT WOULD BE IF YOU'RE LIKE COMING OUT OF THE SOUTH EXIT OF JOSHUA TREE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU GO ACROSS THIS GIANT VALLEY THAT'S THIS LONG AND SHALLOW AND IN THE DISTANCE, YOU CAN'T TELL WHERE THINGS ARE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD DEPTH PERCEPTION. AND IN THE DISTANCE YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE SAN BERNARDINO MOUNTAINS RISING OUT OF THE DESERT, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO FALL ON YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT DEPTH PERCEPTION. AND THE OPPOSITE OF THAT IS, IS TRUE HERE. THIS IS PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST ARTICULATED STRUCTURES ON POWAY ROAD AND PERHAPS ACTUALLY IN POWAY ITSELF. AND, YOU KNOW, PETE NIELD, WHO'S NOT HERE NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, HE PARTICIPATED EXTENSIVELY IN THIS. AND IT WAS I REMEMBER HIM SUGGESTING THAT INCREASE IN THE COURTYARD SPACE IN THE PRE DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE. AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHY WE SEE THIS, THESE INCREASES COURTYARDS THAT ACTUALLY HELP INCREASE THAT ARTICULATION, BUT ALSO MAKE THE COMMERCIAL SPACES MORE VIABLE. BUT THAT, THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONFERENCE THAT I JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S A UNIQUE THING TO POWAY. AND IN MANY WAYS, IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER, IN MY OPINION, THAN A PLANNING COMMISSION BECAUSE AT THAT EVENT, NO DECISIONS ARE ACTUALLY MADE. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, NO ONE'S HEELS ARE DUG IN. YOU DON'T HAVE LAWYERS GETTING, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL HOT AND BOTHERED ABOUT SAYING YOU CAN SAY THIS OR CAN'T SAY THAT. AND THAT REALLY IMPROVES THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE'S VOICE. SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT HAPPEN FOR THE NEXT PROJECT, THAT'S THE TIME TO SHOW UP AND GET YOUR OPINIONS HEARD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE POWER. I DO HAVE A COUPLE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS HERE FOR

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HAVE WE EVER AMENDED THE SPECIFIC PLAN, THAT SPECIFIC PLAN? SO THE THE ONLY AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF IS TO ADD THE ABILITY TO PUT IN THE THRIFT SHOPS VIA Q P. OH, RIGHT.

I REMEMBER THAT AT THAT LOCATION. YEAH. THE SPECIFIC AREA AT THIS AREA. OKAY. RIGHT WHERE THE RERUN IS. OKAY. OKAY. VERY COOL. SO THAT'S A ONE TIME IT'S BEEN AMENDED. I THINK THE ONLY OTHER TIME IT'S YOU'VE ACTUALLY EVER SEEN ANY CHANGE TO THE PAOLI ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN IS WHEN THE DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS WERE, WERE PUT FORTH. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE PASEO PROJECT APOLLO PROJECT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME IN ASKING FOR CHANGES. AND THE ANSWER IS TYPICALLY BEEN NO. YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN THE WHEN THE TRACTOR SUPPLY CAME IN, FOR INSTANCE, THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL PARTS. THEY WANTED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, AND WE HAD TO ALTER THEIR PLAN TO MAKE SURE IT COMPLIED WITH WHAT THE PEOPLE WERE TALKING, WHAT THE PEOPLE PUT TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THOSE MEETINGS, I THINK IT WAS IT WAS SORT OF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES. NOW, I DO SEE THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS BEING MADE, AND FROM MY READING OF THE SPECIFIC OF THIS SPECIFIC PLAN, YOU CAN GO UP TO 50%. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT, JULIE? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND HERE, AS YOU SAID, IT'S 3% IS WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE ON THE BUILDING, SORRY, THE COMMERCIAL AREA. YES. SO THE THERE WE REFER TO IT AS A GOAL, BUT THERE IS A GOAL FOR 75% FRONTAGE TO BE COMMERCIAL AND THEN A 40 FOOT DEPTH. AND SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY'RE WITHIN 3% OF WHAT WE'LL CALL THE GOAL OF COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND IS THE HEIGHT. IS THAT IS THAT A 14% REDUCTION OR. YES, FROM 12? I'M SORRY, IT'S FROM 14 TO 12FT, 14 TO OKAY, 14 TO 12FT. OKAY. I CAN'T DO THAT MATH IN MY HEAD. RIGHT. I NEED A CALCULATOR. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SHOW OFF. IT'S LESS THAN 50%. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THERE WE GO.

OKAY. THAT'S COOL. THAT MAKES SENSE. I'VE HAD SOME I'VE HEARD SOME CONCERN ABOUT ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS ONLINE OR ON THE PHONE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WANTING THINGS TO BE LESS FLEXIBLE. AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE DENSITY BONUS OPTION. LISA, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS NOT A SUBMITTED PLAN. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS NOT A THIS IS A VERY ROUGH OUTLINE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN. I'VE SEEN THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN OTHER PLACES AND WHAT THEY CAN TURN INTO. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO A PLAN. IT'S JUST AN IDEA. AND, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY, IN FACT, I DON'T EVEN SEE IT AS A THREAT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A THREAT. OH MY GOD, THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING. WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH DEVELOPMENT, IN SOME RESPECTS, IT'S LIKE A LIKE A GAME OF OPEN FACE CHINESE POKER, OKAY. WHERE ALL THE CARDS ARE LAID OUT ON THE DECK. NOTHING IS NOTHING IS HIDDEN. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS IT'S SACRAMENTO THAT'S DEALING, YOU KNOW, THE DECK. BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY THERE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE BAD DECISIONS FOR THE PEOPLE. BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT FLEXIBILITY. AND EVEN IN THIS, THE LEAST IMPACTFUL FORM OF THIS LETTER, IT REMOVES ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL. AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO IMAGINE THAT WE, IF WE HAD TO TOE THE LINE AT 100% THERE, IF WE'RE ONLY 3%, YOU KNOW, DOWN ON THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND HAD NO LEEWAY, WE TAKE 100% LOSS ON THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, OR IF IT WAS 13.7% OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LOSS ON THE ON THE HEIGHT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY GO WITH THE DENSITY BONUS OPTION, THEN THE CEILING, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT GOES DOWN TO NINE FEET AND YOU'VE GOT A RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND YOU'VE GOT A ZERO FOOT SETBACK. SO IT STRIKES ME THAT THIS FLEXIBILITY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I THINK IT'S A SMART MOVE. AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE 13 OR SO OTHER PEOPLE ON THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN ALL THOSE YEARS AGO AND THE AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT PROCESS OVER ALL THOSE MEETINGS. I THINK THEY THOUGHT OF THAT, TOO.

AND I THINK THEY HAD THE SAME PRACTICAL THOUGHTS. AND A LOT OF WHAT I SEE IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN, I THINK, IS A VERY INTENTIONAL CHOICE THAT THEY MADE. NOW, THERE IS THIS

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AND I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT SECTION IN THE AGENDA DETAILING THE THOUGHT PROCESS. AND I IT'S REALLY STRIKES ME AS WHAT YOU'D WANT TO SEE FROM YOUR STAFF. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF RIGOR THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF LOGIC. IT'S LIKE A TEXTBOOK CASE OF HOW TO DO IT, BUT THERE IS A REQUEST. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M A POLICYMAKER. I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY FORMAL TRAINING IN THE PRACTICAL ASPECTS OF BEING A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PERSON.

WELL, THEY'LL COME TO THINK OF IT, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL TRAINING IN BEING A PUBLIC POLICY MAKER EITHER. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE CARDS. BUT I SORT OF HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A BROADER VIEW. AND IT'S A COMPARATIVE QUESTION TO ME AT LEAST. AND WE DO HAVE A, A, A COMPARATOR HERE. AND THIS IS OUTLINED IN THE LETTER, AND IT'S VERY ROUGHLY OUTLINED IN THE LETTER. IT HAS SOME ECHOES OF THE HARMON RANCH PROJECT, WHERE WE HAD A A DENSITY BONUS OPTION VERSUS THE GENERAL PLAN. BACK THEN, THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD ALLOW 59 UNITS ON THE ON THE LOT, AND OUR CHOICE WAS 63 UNITS OR 90. AND WE CHOSE, YOU KNOW, 63 UNITS. AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE CHOOSING BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS LOWER DENSITY AND SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST GETS RID OF ALL THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. AND THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE, YOU KNOW, WAS A REALLY BIG COMPONENT OF THE, OF THE TOWN CENTER THAT WAS ENVISIONED, YOU KNOW, BY THE PEOPLE WHO PUT TOGETHER THE PRSP. AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, A SUPERIOR POLICY TO FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

AND WHEN I SEE A PLAN THAT FOLLOWS THAT VISION SO, SO CLOSELY, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL FIND IT TO BE SUPERIOR TO THE ONE THAT DOESN'T. SO I THINK WHAT WE SEE HERE AS OUR OPTION TO BE SUPERIOR TO ANY PRACTICAL ALTERNATIVE. THANK YOU. NEVER DID I THINK WE WOULD HEAR MENTION OF OPEN FACE CHINESE POKER AND JOSHUA TREE IN A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I LEAVE IT TO PETER FOR THAT. ONE QUESTION. THE COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT USED TO BE LIVE WORK. I STILL GET A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO BUY BOTH AND CONNECT THEM. IS THAT PROHIBITED? YES, THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO OPERATE A COMMERCIAL, AND THE CC WILL REQUIRE THAT. AND WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH INTERCORP TO ENSURE THAT WHEN THEY ARE VETTING A POTENTIAL BUYERS, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK, YOU KNOW, AND HELP HELP GUIDE THEM SO THAT THEY CAN CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. THANK YOU. OUR JOB HERE TONIGHT ISN'T TO DECIDE WHETHER WE LIKE DEVELOPMENT OR OR DISLIKE IT. IT'S THE WAY THE PROJECT IN FRONT OF US AGAINST THE LAW THAT GOVERNS IT, AND THE REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES OF OUR VOTE.

SINCE INCORPORATION, POWAY ROAD HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CITY PART OF THE CITY IN THE COUNTRY.

IT'S WHERE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND MORE INTENSIVE USES ARE CONCENTRATED SO THAT OUR MORE RURAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OPEN SPACE. OUR HILLSIDES CAN STAY RURAL. AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT JUST ME INTERPRETING THAT OR SAYING THAT IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT OF OUR GENERAL PLAN, OUR FOUNDING DOCUMENT, WHICH CALLS FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT IN ALREADY DEVELOPED AREAS AND ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS WITH POWAY ROAD, SPECIFICALLY NAMED AS THE CITY'S PRINCIPAL COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT SPECIFIED IN IN OUR BIBLE, OUR OUR GENERAL PLAN. NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT SHOULD BE THE WILD WEST ON POWAY ROAD WHERE ANYTHING GOES. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AT ALL. I WANT TO REMIND YOU. NINE YEARS AGO, AND I THINK MR. ROSERO MENTIONED THIS AFTER 18 CITIZEN COMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS AND TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WE ADOPTED THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN.

THAT PROCESS CUT THE HOUSING ALLOWED ON POWAY ROAD BY 40%, AND IT INCREASED SETBACKS. IT

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I MET WITH THE APPLICANT SEVERAL TIMES ALONG WITH CITY STAFF. THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, IN MY MIND MISSED THE MARK SET IN THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN, AND I TOLD THEM SO, AND I IMAGINE THEY'LL NOD THEIR HEADS REMEMBERING THAT I TOLD THEM SO. I MADE NO PROMISES, NO COMMITMENTS, JUST PRESSURED THEM TO FIX WHAT I SAW AS THE SHORTCOMINGS. THE COMMERCIAL SPACE, CEILING HEIGHT, SETBACKS AMONG. AMONG OTHERS. THAT'S WHY I HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THAT MEETING WITH AN APPLICANT. IT'S NOT APPROVING A PROJECT. IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY TOOLS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL HAS TO DEMAND IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING, RATHER THAN JUST REACTING TO WHAT SHOWS UP. WE MEET WITH OPPONENTS TO THE RECORD. THE EVIDENCE AND THE FINAL VOTE ALL HAPPEN HERE AT A COUNCIL MEETING IN PUBLIC. SAME AS ALWAYS. AND MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE PRODUCED RESULTS. COMMERCIAL SPACE GREW SUBSTANTIALLY AND ANOTHER COMMERCIAL UNIT WAS ADDED. CEILING HEIGHTS WENT UP, THE FRONTAGE WAS REDESIGNED.

ROAD FRONTAGE IS NOW COMMERCIAL OR COMMERCIALLY SUPPORTIVE. COURTYARD SPACE COURTYARDS WERE ADDED, SETBACKS INCREASED AND THE BUILDING MASS BROKEN UP. IS IT PERFECT NOW? NOT NECESSARILY.

NO PROJECT THIS SIZE IS GOING TO BE PERFECT OR SATISFY EVERYBODY, BUT IT'S A SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER PROJECT BECAUSE THE CITY PUSHED AND INSISTED ON MORE. NOW I KIND OF NEED TO SAY THE QUIET PART OUT LOUD TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A CHOICE BETWEEN THIS PROJECT AND NO PROJECT. THE SITE IS ALREADY ZONED FOR THIS USE. MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING IS PERMITTED THERE, PERIOD. AND UNDER THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, ONCE A PROJECT IS FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND SPECIFIC PLAN AND ZONING, OUR ABILITY TO DENY IT IS EXTREMELY LIMITED. YOU'VE HEARD IT MENTIONED A FEW TIMES TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY STATED IN WRITING, IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE PROJECT, THEY WOULD REFILE UNDER STATE CITY DENIS LAW. BOTH BONUS DENSITY LAW AND USE A MANDATORY CONCESSION TO ELIMINATE THE COMMERCIAL SPACE ENTIRELY. THAT WASN'T A BLUFF THAT WE COULD AFFORD TO IGNORE.

OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR HAVE ALREADY TOLD THIS COUNCIL IN PUBLIC. JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON DENSITY BONUS. THE DENSITY BONUS LAW IS WEIGHTED HEAVILY TOWARDS DEVELOPERS, AND THOSE LAWS ALLOW MORE DENSITY, LESS PARKING, INCREASED HEIGHT AND WAIVERS FROM OTHER LOCAL STANDARDS. I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH. THE LEGAL LANDSCAPE HAS SHIFTED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE WE ADOPTED THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. WE TALKED ABOUT IT HERE. LIKE I SAID A FEW MEETINGS AGO, SACRAMENTO HAS EXPANDED DENSITY BONUS LAW REPEATEDLY SINCE THEN. FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO REVISE THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN.

AND I'M I'M FINE WITH LOOKING AT IT, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT STRICTER RULES ON PAPER DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THEM. TIGHTENING OUR STANDARDS WON'T NECESSARILY SHRINK THE NEXT PROJECT. IT MIGHT ACTUALLY DO THE OPPOSITE AND INCENTIVIZE BUILDERS TO GO TO THE DENSITY BONUS ROUTE, LEAVING US LESS, SAY, OVER WHAT GETS BUILT. SO.

I THINK IT'S SIMPLE. THE CHOICE TONIGHT IS BINARY. APPROVE THE PROJECT. THIS CITY SPENT ALMOST TWO YEARS SHAPING 47 TOWNHOMES, REAL COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE, CODE COMPLIANT PARKING, GENEROUS SETBACKS, PUBLIC COURTYARDS, OR REJECT IT AND GET A DENSITY BONUS PROJECT. MORE UNITS, LESS PARKING, NO COMMERCIAL SPACE AND NONE OF THE PROTECTIONS WE NEGOTIATED. THERE IS NO VERSION OF TONIGHT WHERE WE VOTE NO AND NOTHING GETS BUILT. I RESPECT THE RESIDENTS WHO OPPOSE THIS PROJECT AND THEIR CONCERNS, BUT REPRESENTING THEM MEANS MORE THAN JUST REPEATING BACK THE

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CLASS 32 INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. NUMBER TWO TO FIND AND DETERMINE THE PROJECT OFFERS A SUPERIOR DESIGN WHICH JUSTIFIES APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE CEILING, HEIGHT AND DEPTH OF COMMERCIAL SPACES, AND TIER ONE HEIGHT INCENTIVE, AND IS CONFORMANCE WITH THE POWAY ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN. AND THREE ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION APPROVING DR250002 AND TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 250002.

AGAIN, A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PIKUS. SECOND BY THE MAYOR. THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE.

WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL? MEMBER OF A COUNCIL MEMBER. PIKAS. AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON I DEPUTY MAYOR MAYEDA. NO. MAYOR VOSS, I ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU.

AND FOLKS THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND MAKING YOUR VOICE HEARD. ITEM 15 RESOLUTION RENEWING THE

[15. Resolution Renewing the Fire Protection Special Tax to be Collected on the Property Tax Roll for Fiscal Year 2026-27]

FOR THOSE JOINING ONLINE WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 15, RAISE YOUR VIRTUAL HAND NOW. IF YOU'RE PARTICIPATING BY PHONE, PRESS STAR NINE. NOW, SPEAKERS WILL BE PROMPTED TO UNMUTE WHEN IT'S YOUR TIME TO SPEAK. I WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DIRECTOR OF FINANCE CRAIG SCHMOLLINGER WILL PRESENT THE ITEM. CRAIG, TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. SO ANNUALLY, THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO REQUIRES THE RENEWAL OF THE CITY'S FIRE PROTECTION OR EXCUSE ME, FIRE PROTECTION SPECIAL TAX TO BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY TAX ROLL FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO FISCAL YEAR 2026 2027. THIS TAX WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY 87 OR 84% OF THE VOTERS, IN 1997, AND IS DESIGNATED A SPECIAL TAX. SO THIS MEANS REVENUES DERIVED FROM THIS SPECIAL TAX MAY ONLY BE USED FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF FIRE PROTECTION, WHICH INCLUDES PERSONNEL, EXPENSES AND EQUIPMENT RELATED TO FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES. EACH PARCELS TAX IS DETERMINED BY A POINT SYSTEM THAT CONSIDERS LAND USE AND REQUIRED FIRE FLOW TO SERVE THAT THAT PARCEL. THE RATE HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED AT $3.12 PER POINT, RESULTING IN AN ESTIMATED TOTAL COLLECTED ROUNDED TO $658,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2627. TO ACCOMMODATE POTENTIAL ADDITIONS TO THE ROLL. THE RESOLUTION, AS RECOMMENDED, AUTHORIZES COLLECTIONS UP TO $700,000 FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. SO THIS ROOM, IF ASSESSMENTS INCREASE OR THERE'S ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE, WHEN GOING BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 9798, THE FIRE BUDGET AT THAT TIME WAS 3.2 MILLION. AND THE REVENUE FROM THIS SPECIAL TAX WAS 535,000. SO THAT MADE UP ABOUT 17% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET BEING COVERED BY THIS SPECIAL TAXES REVENUES NOW GOING TO THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR 2627. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET IS 18.7 MILLION, MEANING THAT 658,000 ONLY PAYS FOR 3.5%. SO UNDER 4% OF THE TOTAL FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET, WHICH IS COVERED BY THE SPECIAL TAX. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY BRIEF PRESENTATION HERE AND STAFF ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CRAIG. NO SPEAKERS. I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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DEPUTY MAYOR MAITA I AND MAYOR VOSS I ITEM PASSES. MOVING ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM, THE

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BUT I BELIEVE HERE IN POWAY, WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THEY ARE NOT A GOOD FIT FOR US. WE WELCOME INNOVATION, BUT DATA CENTERS THIRST FOR POWER AND WATER ARE NOT WELCOME HERE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY JUST A LITTLE BIT. A SINGLE AI DATA CENTER CAN DRAW AS MUCH ELECTRICITY AS TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOMES COMBINED, AND A TYPICAL HYPERSCALE FACILITY AT AROUND 100MW BURNS TO ROUGHLY 2.4GW HOURS A DAY. ONLY PETER WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. THAT'S ENOUGH POWER FOR 85,000 HOMES EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR ONE BUILDING, AND THERE'S WATER. THOSE FACILITIES DEPEND ON MASSIVE COOLING SYSTEMS, AND SOME OF THE LARGEST CAN USE UP TO 5 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. FOR COMPARISON, AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH 300 EMPLOYEES USES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4500 AND 6000 GALLONS A DAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF A THOUSAND FOLD IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, WHERE ALL OF US UNDERSTAND THAT WATER IS A RESOURCE WE CAN LEAST AFFORD TO TAKE FOR GRANTED. THAT'S NOT A DETAIL. THAT'S THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. AND IT'S NOT JUST UTILITIES OR FACILITIES. THESE ARE FACILITIES THAT NEVER SLEEP. THEY RUN COOLING SYSTEMS AROUND THE CLOCK THAT PRODUCE A CONSTANT LOW FREQUENCY HUM. AND THEY KEEP DIESEL GENERATORS ON SITE FOR BACKUP POWER GENERATORS THAT HAVE TO BE TESTED REGULARLY, AND THAT RAISE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT NOISE AND AIR QUALITY FOR ANYBODY LIVING NEARBY. I THINK FINALLY, THIS COMES DOWN TO WHAT POWAY WANTS ITS BUSINESS PARK TO BE. WE HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND IN THE CITY, AND ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE. STANDALONE DATA CENTERS DON'T BRING THE HIGH PAYING JOBS OR COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT OTHER USES OF THAT SAME LAND WOULD BRING. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PROTECTIVE OF THAT LAND AND WE SHOULD BE, WE NEED TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE ALLOW ON IT. THAT'S WHY COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON AND I ARE BRINGING THE ITEM FORWARD TONIGHT. WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATION OF STANDALONE COMMERCIAL DATA CENTERS HERE IN POWAY. IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING ANTI-TECHNOLOGY OR ANTI-GROWTH. IT'S ABOUT BEING CLEAR EYED ABOUT WHAT BELONGS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WHAT DOESN'T, AND GIVING OUR RESIDENTS, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AND OUR BUSINESSES THE CERTAINTY THEY DESERVE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY. POWAY DIDN'T BECOME ONE OF CALIFORNIA'S MOST DESIRABLE COMMUNITIES. BY CHASING EVERY NEW USE THAT CAME KNOCKING, WE GOT HERE KNOWING WHEN TO SAY NO. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES.

COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? I HATE TO ADD ON SOMETHING WHEN YOU SO ELOQUENTLY DESCRIBE THE SITUATION, BUT YEAH, IT REALLY IS A LAND USE QUESTION OF LAND USE AND THE BEST USE OF OUR RESOURCES HERE IN POWAY. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ARTICLES

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OKAY, SO I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL AI DATA CENTERS NOT BEING PUT IN THE BUSINESS PARK OR ANYWHERE IN POWAY FOR THE REASONS STATED. MY CONCERN IS THE WORD STANDALONE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN WILL SAY 100,000 FOOT DATA, SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER. AND IT'S IT'S THERE AND WE'RE SAYING STANDALONE. OKAY. THAT'S IT. HOW ABOUT WE BUILD 100 ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT DATA CENTER WITH A MCDONALD'S NEXT TO IT, OR IN THE SAME PARKING LOT OR INSIDE THE BUILDING? DOES THAT COUNT AS STANDALONE? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE PROHIBITING SOMETHING, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WORDS WE'RE USING. SO WHAT DOES HOW DO WE WORD THIS SO THAT THEY DON'T PUT A OR GENERAL ATOMICS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, EXPAND OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. AND NOW THEY TAKE A CORNER, THEY TAKE A LITTLE BUILDING THERE. HOW DO WE STOP THE DATA CENTERS? THANK YOU. THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO ALAN'S EXPERTISE NEXT. GO AHEAD. I, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU MEANT BY STANDALONE AS LIKE THIRD PARTY DATA CENTERS AS OPPOSED TO, SAY, A LAW FIRM THAT HAD A DATA CENTER IN ITS OFFICE FOR ITS OWN DATA. RIGHT. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SEAN ELLIS. WELCOME. HELLO. HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS

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I'M GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY CLEAR WITH YOU GUYS. I HAVE 127 MEMBERS THAT CURRENTLY LIVE IN POWAY THAT ARE WORKING FOR A COMPANY CALLED ALE READING COMPANY, HAVE BEEN AROUND IN SAN DIEGO FOR WELL OVER 100 YEARS. THEY ARE BUILDING FABRICATION FOR GLYCOL DATA CENTERS ACROSS ARIZONA, TEXAS, UTAH AND IDAHO THAT UTILIZES NO WATER. RIGHT. SO WHAT WE URGE YOU AS AS A UNION, AS SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS WORKERS, AS SOMEONE. AND LET ME KEEP IN MIND, RIGHT, MY MEMBERS LIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. I HAVE 400 THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT BREATHE THE SAME AIR, USE THOSE SAME HORSE TRAILS, RIGHT? LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, UTILIZE YOUR COMMERCIAL SPACES AND BUY HOMES AND CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR ECONOMY THAT ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF THESE DATA CENTERS. SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE THE TWO CONTRACTORS THAT OWN A FABRICATION SHOP THAT ARE BUILDING DATA CENTER FABRICATION, PUTTING THEM ON FLATBEDS AND SENDING THEM TO THE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY. YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY BENDING FROM DATA CENTERS AND NO ONE KNOWS IT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DO A PROHIBITION, JUST AN OPEN, BROAD PROHIBITION ON DATA CENTERS WITHOUT DOING A STUDY, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE VARIETY OF DATA CENTERS, I COULD PUT A DATA CENTER IN THIS ROOM RIGHT HERE AND COOL IT WITH GLYCOL AND USE VERY LITTLE WATER. AND WE COULD PUT A POWER PLANT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT METER AND PRODUCE THE POWER FOR THAT DATA CENTER, AND THEN PUT IT RIGHT BACK INTO YOUR GRID, HELP UTILIZING YOUR VERY WEAK GRID FROM ELECTRIFICATION, RIGHT FROM THE LACK OF NATURAL GAS USE, THE BANNING OF NATURAL GAS, WHERE DID THAT TAKE US OR THE BANNING OF NUCLEAR ENERGY? THAT'S ALL COMING BACK NOW. SO THIS MIGHT BE A REPEAT OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. SO WE URGE YOU, AS YOU AS YOU GO INTO THIS ORDINANCE, WE URGE YOU PLEASE WRITE IMPERIAL COUNTY, IMPERIAL CITY, THEY HAD 100 PEOPLE OPPOSING IT, BUT THEY STILL SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO A STUDY. WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT FIRST BEFORE WE DO A MORATORIUM. BEFORE WE BAN THIS, LET'S DO A STUDY FOR X AMOUNT OF DAYS AND FIND OUT WHAT IT CAN DO FOR OUR CITY, OUR PEOPLE, AND OUR COMMUNITY AND FIND SOME GREAT LEADERSHIP. SO ONCE AGAIN, THE UNITED ASSOCIATION, WE'RE STANDING READY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS. DATA CENTERS BRING US WORK. IT HELPS US SIGN NEW CONTRACTORS. IT BRINGS ECONOMIC ENGINES TO YOUR COMMUNITY. BUT IF IT ISN'T RIGHT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, IT ISN'T RIGHT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE LIVE HERE TOO. SO WE'RE URGING YOU GUYS, LET'S PUT SOME MORE DEPTH IN THIS. LET'S LOOK INTO THIS, LET'S STUDY THIS. LET'S LOOK AT THE VARIETIES OF DATA CENTERS BEFORE YOU JUST SLAM THE BLANKEI PROMISE YOU THEY'RE GETTING BUILT RECORDING THIS AND IT'S GOING ON A DATA CENTER. IT'S GOING ON A DATA CENTER. I GOT A COMPUTER IN MY POCKET RIGHT NOW. THEN I'M GOING TO GO LOOK AT A BUNCH OF POP WARNER THAT'S GOING TO BE ON A DATA CENTER, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY NEED THAT FOR THE FUTURE TO KEEP US SAFE. SO LET'S BE REAL ABOUT THIS. LET'S DO A GREAT STUDY AND BE GREAT LEADERS. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN BE. SO ONCE AGAIN, SEAN ELLIS, I REPRESENT THE UNITED ASSOCIATION OF PLUMBERS AND PIPEFITTERS, STEAMFITTERS AND WELDERS. GOD BLESS YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. COREY SCHUMACHER. GOOD TO SEE YOU, COREY. VERY GOOD TO SEE YOU, MAYOR. PLEASE BE BACK HERE. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE WITH IBEW FIVE, SIX NINE, WE WERE APPROVING A WONDERFUL BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT RIGHT HERE IN POWAY DURING A LOT OF FEAR FROM SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AROUND BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE. AND THERE WERE MORATORIUMS THAT WERE GOING ON AROUND THAT. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO NOT TAKE A REACTIVE APPROACH, BUT TO STEP BACK AND REALLY ASSESS WHAT THE DATA CENTERS CURRENTLY ARE PRODUCING AS FAR AS TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT THAT MIGHT OFFER AS A BENEFIT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. MY NAME IS COREY SCHUMACHER. I AM THE POLICY DIRECTOR OF IBEW 569. WE REPRESENT 3800 UNION ELECTRICIANS IN SOUND TECHNICIANS FROM SAN DIEGO ALL THE WAY TO IMPERIAL. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO URGE A MORE MEASURED AND NUANCED APPROACH TO THE DATA CENTER CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP, WHICH WE APPRECIATE. IBEW 569 HAS A SATELLITE OFFICE IN IMPERIAL COUNTY, WHERE CALIFORNIA'S LARGEST PROPOSED DATA CENTER IS CURRENTLY BEING PROPOSED. IT'S OVER 900,000FT■!S. WE HAVE BEEN PRESENT THERE AS MULTIPLE CITIES DISCUSS DATA CENTER BANS AND MORATORIUMS. WE HAVE ALSO SENT OUR OWN STAFF OUT TO VISUALIZE AND TO VISIT THE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OHIO, WHERE THERE'S A TEN GIGAWATT FACILITY THAT'S BEING BUILT BY

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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. FINAL SPEAKER, CHRISTINA MARQUEZ. HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CHRISTINA MARQUEZ. I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZER WITH IBEW 569 AND A JOURNEYMAN. I WENT THROUGH THE APPRENTICESHIP, SO I BENEFITED BY BEING ABLE TO BUILD BUILDINGS LIKE THIS AND BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD SAN DIEGO AND BE THE THE FRONT RUNNERS IN BEING, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OUT CALIFORNIA, BEING THE FRONT RUNNERS DON'T MAKE ANY RASH DECISIONS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD UPON WHAT SAN DIEGO HAS ALREADY STARTED BY HAVING WIND AND SOLAR AND BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, AND GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A HIGH ROAD, HIGH WAGE WORKFORCE, SKILLED AND TRAINED WORKFORCE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THIS WITH LOCAL HIRE AGREEMENTS. THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE MONEY CAN BE PUMPED BACK IN BY HIRING THESE JOURNEYMEN AND APPRENTICES, AND THEN ALSO WITH THE DATA DATA CENTERS, AS MY SISTER CORI SCHUMACHER WAS SAYING, THAT NOT ONLY THE THE TAXES THAT COULD BE COMING OUT OF THIS AND BEING PUMPED BACK INTO THE CITY. SO PLEASE DON'T MAKE ANY RASH DECISIONS. CREATE A STUDY. LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TO WORK THROUGH THIS AS THEY ARE IN IMPERIAL VALLEY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKERS COUNCIL COMMENTS. I'M HAPPY TO MOVE APPROVAL. MR. DE HOFF, I APPRECIATE THE FOLKS COMING OUT TO SPEAK ON THIS. AS YOU CAN SEE, HUNTER, THESE DECISIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE TO MAKE. BACK BEFORE I STARTED TRAINING AS A SCIENTIST, I WAS A SYSTEMS ADMINISTRATOR MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. I DO REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER MY OWN COMPUTERS EVEN BEFORE THAT, OVERCLOCKING THEM, HAVING A GOOD TIME WITH THE COOLING SYSTEMS. SO, AND I UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES, YOU KNOW, CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS. I DON'T THINK THE ENERGY USE IS REALLY GOING TO GO AWAY. I ACTUALLY AM A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT CO-GEN PLANTS SITTING NEXT TO THE FACILITIES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GIANT SOLAR ARRAYS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THESE THINGS PULL A LOT OF POWER. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ON WHAT YOU SAID, COREY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY POWERFUL. TALKING ABOUT THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY, THE FIRST BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY. AND I WROTE ABOUT THIS IN MY NEWSLETTER ACTUALLY VERY RECENTLY GOT APPROVED OR WAS ALMOST COMPLETELY APPROVED IN THE BUSINESS PARK BECAUSE IT DIDN'T EXIST AS AN ITEM. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS RECOGNIZED. IT WAS ALMOST AUTOMATICALLY OR MINISTERIALLY APPROVED. AND THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PALI ROAD, SORRY, THE THE SOUTH PALI BUSINESS PARK SPECIFIC PLAN ENVISIONS A PLACE WHERE THERE'S A VIBRANT, DYNAMIC ATMOSPHERE OF THAT INVOLVES PEOPLE. AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT BUSINESSES INTERACTING WITH THEM, INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER, AND SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, THE SMALL BUSINESSES DOWN HERE, THEY'RE VERY, VERY FEW, YOU KNOW, SUPERCOMPUTER CLUSTERS THAT ARE GOING TO COME DOWN THE HILL AND, YOU KNOW, EAT AT THE HABIT OR SOMETHING

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THAT'S IT. SO NO MORE. NO OTHER BUSINESSES CAN MOVE IN. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG REASON FOR AGAIN, I THINK YOU PUT OUT THE TERM MORATORIUM, WHICH MAY BE A GOOD THING BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, EVEN IF WE PUT OUT PUT OUT THE KEEP OUT SIGN AND BAN IT ALL TOGETHER, IT'S SUBJECT TO REVISION IF THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES OR WE DON'T NEED MUCH WATER. BUT I THINK, AS ANITA MENTIONED, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THOSE ELECTRICITY REQUIREMENTS COULD BE SO GREAT THAT IT COULD PLACE A BURDEN UPON THE REST OF US, EVEN IF THE WATER PROBLEM WAS SOLVED. I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE UNION AND THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE BUILDING STUFF. BUT AS PETER SAID, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT GETS BUILT, THEY THEY MOVE ON SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND YOU DID MAKE A GOOD POINT IS THAT WE USE DATA CENTERS ALL THE TIME, BUT IT YOU PUT THEM IN THE DESERT. I MEAN, WE USE ELECTRICITY ALL THE TIME, BUT WE'RE NOT BUILDING A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT NEXT DOOR EITHER. SO THAT'S IT. LET'S SEE. I WAS GOING TO GO INTO THE HORROR STORIES OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LIVING NEXT TO DATA CENTERS, OR WHEN MEMPHIS PUT ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR ZOO. NOW, I CAN'T IMAGINE A WORSE LOCATION SHORT OF A BIRD SANCTUARY. AND SO, YEAH, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS. LET'S SEE WHAT THE CITY STAFF COMES UP WITH. I'M OKAY WITH A MORATORIUM FOR FIVE YEARS OR AN OUTRIGHT BAN, AND WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT IT IF THINGS CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S GOVERNMENT IS, YOU KNOW, EVOLUTION. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER ROBERTSON. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR MADE. I'M NOT A FAN OF BANDS IN GENERAL. I WOULD PREFER A MORATORIUM IN CASE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES TO BECOME LESS DEMANDING. BUT WHETHER WE DO A BAN OR A MORATORIUM, ALL OF THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP TODAY ALSO APPLY TO MANY PERSONAL DATA CENTERS, THE LITTLE ONES THAT GET ATTACHED TO HOMES. SO I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR, A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER EDMONDSON. TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY TO RETURN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AMENDING MUNICIPAL CODE TO PROHIBIT THE DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATION OF STANDALONE COMMERCIAL DATA CENTERS WITHIN THE CITY OF POWAY. THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER? HOLMES.

AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PICUS. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. EDMONDSON. I. DEPUTY MAYOR MEAD. AYE. AND

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NOTHING. CHRIS. LET'S SEE. FIRST OF ALL, LAST WEEK NITA AND I ATTENDED THE PICNIC WITH THE FIRE CHIEF OVER IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHERE THEY HAD AN EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE OUTSTANDING DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE FEATURES THEY HAD IN CLASS ONE FIRE SERVICE. MY FAVORITE THING TO TALK ABOUT, AND ALL THE FIRE ENGINES, ALL THE STAFF AND EVERY ALL THE CAPABILITY THEY HAD. AND THEN THERE'S A PRESENTATION ABOUT ZONE ZERO AND WHAT YOU COULD DO TO COMPLY AND WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO TO COMPLY, AND TIMELINES AND FIRE SAFETY. SO MUCH APPRECIATED. A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS CAME OUT AND DISTRIBUTED MATERIALS. AND ALONG WITH THAT, I WAS LOOKING UP AND I SAW AN EMAIL TODAY. WE GOT A POWAY CHIPPING EVENT THIS WEEKEND, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOLF, BUT BASICALLY AT THE FIRE STATION TWO BETWEEN 9 A.M. AND 1 P.M. THIS SATURDAY, THEY WILL TAKE ALL YOUR YARD WASTE AND TURN IT INTO MULCH. SO IF YOU'RE DOING YOUR ZONE ZERO CLEANUP AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF UNDERBRUSH AND OTHER FIRE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, AND YOU CAN'T FIT IT ALL IN YOUR COMPOST BIN, TAKE IT DOWN. THE FIRE STATION THIS WEEKEND. AND OH, ONE MORE THING.

PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE RULES AND ALL THAT. IF YOU WANTED MORE INTERESTED, GO TO THE APRIL 21ST MEETING. IT'S ON VIDEO. YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO TELL THEM WHERE FIRE STATION TWO IS? I GOT TO LOOK THAT ONE UP. HOLD ON A SECOND. I'M SURE THE CHIEF CAN HELP ME OUT. BRIAN. SO ONCE 16912 WEST LYNN COURT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR SPOILER ROAD. YEAH. ANITA JUST A SECOND. THAT SHOUT OUT TO THE FIRE CHIEF FOR A REALLY GREAT EVENT AND YOUR STAFF. IT WAS REALLY WELL ATTENDED. IF ANYBODY THAT'S STILL IN THIS ROOM OR STILL WATCHING LIVE OR THIS RECORDING, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO A FIRE PREPAREDNESS PRESENTATION OR EVENT, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO. THE CITY AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE DOING THEIR PART. WE NEED TO DO OUR PART. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND THEY MAKE IT FUN AND REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT THEY DO. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR THE BEATLES CONCERT, THE BEATLES COVER BAND THAT WAS AT THE LAKE THIS PAST SUNDAY. REALLY GREAT GUY. I THINK I'M GETTING OLDER BECAUSE, BOY, THOSE GUYS LOOKED YOUNG. BUT THEY WERE. THEY WERE REALLY GOOD. SUCH A GREAT TURNOUT, BEAUTIFUL VENUE, PLACE. WE ORDERED PLENTY OF SHADE AND IT DELIVERED. IT WAS THERE. IT DIDN'T FEEL, YOU KNOW, 90 DEGREES IN THE SHADE. AND I RAN INTO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THAT WAS OUR FIRST TIME AT LAKE POWAY AND THEY WERE SO IMPRESSED. AND ONE PERSON SAID, THESE BATHROOMS ARE AMAZING. SHE WAS IMPRESSED WITH HOW CLEAN THEY WERE WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE. SO SHOUT OUT TO THE CITY AND TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR A GREAT EVENT.

THANK YOU. WERE THESE POWAY PEOPLE THAT HAD NEVER BEEN TO LAKE POWAY KNOW I WAS WORRIED, JENNY. OKAY, SO I CAN TOP YOU ON YOUR FIRE EVENT. I GOT TO GO WITH CHIEF MITCHELL AND CHEWY AND JENNA. WE WERE SCOUTING FOR WILDFIRE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS FROM SAN DIEGO FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CHOPPER TWO. I THINK IT WAS. WHAT A HOOT. IF YOU EVER GET THE CHANCE, TAKE THEM UP ON IT. IT WAS GREAT, BUT IT WAS NOT ONLY GREAT TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THESE GUYS WORKING BECAUSE CHIEF MITCHELL WENT UP THERE WITH MAPS SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE WE THINK WE CAN PUT A DROP SPOT. AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE WERE LITERALLY WORKING UP THERE. THEY JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE AN EXTRA SEAT AND I BEGGED TO FILL IT. BUT THEY WERE WORKING. THEY WERE PREPARED. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SAN DIEGO FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POWAY FIRE DEPARTMENT, ONE OF SUCH RESPECT. SO THAT WAS A GREAT TREAT. AND I THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE SHARING IT WITH BOTH OF YOU AND JENNA AND, AND THE CREW. ONE OTHER THING. THIS WEEKEND I WENT TO A POWAY VALLEY WRITERS ASSOCIATION ON TIERRA BONITA, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE RODEO GROUNDS. EVERY MONTH OR SO THEY HAVE A GYMKHANA WHERE MOSTLY KIDS AGE EIGHT TO 19 OR 20 RIDE THESE EVENTS. IT'S LIKE A MINI RODEO, AND THEY DO BARREL RACING AND

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WITH THAT, WE WILL STA

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