7.Resolutions Approving the Second Amended and Restated Regional Wastewater Disposal Agreement and Administrative Agreement No. 1 with the City of San Diego

[7.Resolutions Approving the Second Amended and Restated Regional Wastewater Disposal Agreement and Administrative Agreement No. 1 with the City of San Diego]

ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM SEVEN RESOLUTIONS APPROVING THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED REGIONAL WASTEWATER DISPOSAL AGREEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TROY DUPRIEST WILL PRESENT THE ITEM ALONG WITH THE POWERPOINT. WELCOME, TROY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED REGIONAL WASTEWATER DISPOSAL AGREEMENT.

THE SARAH AND ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE WITH THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. SO SOME GENERAL INFORMATION. HOW DOES POWAY DISPOSE OF ITS WASTEWATER? THE CITY OF POWAY'S WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM FLOWS INTO THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO'S METROPOLITAN WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

WE CALL THAT THE METRO SYSTEM. SAN DIEGO OWNS, OPERATES AND MAINTAINS A REGIONAL WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM, AND POWAY IS ONE OF 12 PARTICIPATING AGENCIES IN THE METRO SYSTEM.

THIS MAP TO THE RIGHT SHOWS THE EXTENT OF THE METRO SYSTEM AND THE PAS THAT ARE PARTIES TO THIS AGREEMENT. THE 12 METRO PAS ARE CHULA VISTA, CORONADO DEL MAR, EL CAJON, IMPERIAL BEACH, LA MESA, NATIONAL CITY, LEMON GROVE, AND POWAY. THE PADRE DAM MUNICIPAL AND OTAY WATER DISTRICTS, AND THE COUNTY OF SAN DIEGO. SO THE METRO WASTEWATER JOINT POWERS AUTHORITY, OR THE METRO JPA, IS A COALITION OF MUNICIPALITIES AND SPECIAL DISTRICTS THAT SHARE IN THE USE OF THE METRO SYSTEM. THE PAS REPRESENT APPROXIMATELY 35% OF SEWAGE FLOWS, AND SAN DIEGO REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 65%. IN 1998, THE SAN DIEGO AND THE 12 PA SIGNED A 50 YEAR REGIONAL WASTEWATER DISPOSAL AGREEMENT AND ESTABLISHED THE METRO COMMISSION, COMPRISED OF PA REPRESENTATIVES, TO ADVISE SAN DIEGO ON MATTERS AFFECTING THE METRO SYSTEM, HOW THE SYSTEM IS OPERATED, HOW THE MONEY IS USED, AND TO ENSURE THEIR USAGE RATES ARE EQUITABLE. 2000 THE PA FORMED THE METRO JPA AND THE SARA ESTABLISHES THE METRO COMMISSION AND THE METRO JPA FUNCTIONALLY TREATED AS ONE ENTITY. THIS PICTURE TO THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE PAUSE. METRO COMMISSION REPRESENTATIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER. EXCUSE ME, DEPUTY MAYOR DEHOFF ON A RECENT TOUR OF THE NORTH CITY PURE WATER FACILITY. HE'S THE GUY IN THE BLUE HAT. WHY METRO JPA STARTED REVISING THE ARA IN 2021. THE PARTIES AMENDED THE 1998 AGREEMENT VIA APPROVAL AND EXECUTION OF THE AMENDED AND RESTATED REGIONAL WASTEWATER

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DISPOSAL AGREEMENT, OR THE ARA. THIS IS THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WHICH GOVERNS OUR REGIONAL COOPERATION ON WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND RECYCLED PURIFIED WATER PLANNING. SECTION 2.9 OF THE ARA REQUIRED THE PARTIES TO MEET AND NEGOTIATE MORE AMENDMENTS TO THE IRA TO ADDRESS UNRESOLVED ISSUES. SO, SARA, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE 2021 ARA. IT CLARIFIES ALLOCATION OF FINES, PENALTIES AND REGULATORY ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS AMONG THE PARTIES. TRANSITIONS THE INDUSTRIAL PRETREATMENT PROGRAM TO SAN DIEGO CREATES A PROCESS FOR DEVELOPING ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENTS WITHOUT THE TIME AND EXPENSE NEEDED TO RENEGOTIATE THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT, AND ESTABLISHES FOR APPROVAL PATHS TO UPDATE THE SARA IN THE FUTURE. AS OF TODAY, TWO PAS HAVE APPROVED THE SARA. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE CITY COUNCILS OF LA MESA AND CORONADO RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS REGIONAL AGREEMENT, AND SEVERAL MORE ARE SCHEDULED TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT. THIS SLIDE SHOWS SIX OF THE NEW PROVISIONS OF THE SARA. WE ALSO CALL THEM THE PARKING LOT ITEMS. THE SARA IS A COMPLEX AGREEMENT THAT WAS DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS WITH JPA, METRO COMMISSIONERS AND EXECUTIVE STAFF, SAN DIEGO PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT STAFF AND LEGAL COUNSEL REPRESENTING ALL PAS. ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE ESTABLISHES THE UNIFIED MANAGEMENT OF INDUSTRIAL WASTE DISCHARGE PRETREATMENT AND ENHANCED SOURCE CONTROL PROGRAMS BETWEEN THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO AND PARTICIPATING AGENCIES. SAN DIEGO WILL NOW DIRECTLY ISSUE PERMITS TO INDUSTRIAL USERS. I USE INSPECT THE EIAS FOR COMPLIANCE, COLLECT PERMITTING FEES, FINES AND PENALTIES.

POWAY MUST ENSURE ALL EIAS ARE REGULATED BY THE SAN DIEGO INDUSTRIAL PRETREATMENT PROGRAM AND ITS OWN OUR OWN INDUSTRIAL PRETREATMENT PROGRAMS. IT'S ALSO ENSURES FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS AND DISCHARGERS OF FATS, OILS AND GREASE, WE CALL IT FOG, ARE REGULATED AND MONITORED BY POWAY AND NOT THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO. SO THE NEW BILLING METHOD IS CALLED FUNCTIONAL ALLOCATED BILLING OR FAB, AND IS A SHIFT FROM STRENGTH BASED BILLING BASED ON POWER'S FISCAL YEAR 24 ACTUAL BUILD COSTS OF $3,956,404, STAFF ESTIMATES AN ADDITIONAL COST TO POWAY OF APPROXIMATELY $660,719. FOLLOWING THE ADOPTION OF SARA BEYOND 2027, THIS CHART ON THE SLIDE REFLECTS AN ADDITIONAL 0.2% COST SHARE INCREASE FOR POWAY, DUE MAINLY TO THE DIVERSION OF SEWAGE FLOWS BY THE EAST COUNTY ADVANCED WATER PURIFICATION JPA, THE METRO JPA COMMISSIONERS AND EXECUTIVE STAFF, SAN DIEGO PD STAFF AND LEGAL COUNSEL REPRESENTING ALL 12 PAS HAVE DELIBERATED THE DETAILS OF THE SARA FOR FOUR YEARS IN OVER 300 MEETINGS, AND BELIEVE THE SARA EFFECTIVELY RESOLVES THE CONCERNS LEFT IN THE ARA.

ADDITIONALLY, THE NEW PROVISION IS SARA ESTABLISH APPROVAL MECHANISMS FOR FUTURE ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENTS ALLOWING METRO JPA AND CITY OF SAN DIEGO PD STAFF TO ADDRESS ANY MATERIAL CONCERNS THAT MAY ARISE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS RECOMMENDED. THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE RESOLUTIONS ADOPTING THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED REGIONAL WASTEWATER DISPOSAL AGREEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE BETWEEN THE CITY OF POWAY AND THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, IN A FORM SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE VERSION OF THE AGREEMENT ATTACHED THERETO, AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AND EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT. WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL REPRESENTATIVES AVAILABLE HERE TONIGHT FOR QUESTIONS. WE HAVE METRO JPA EXECUTIVE STAFF DEXTER WILSON AND ADRIANA OCHOA IN ATTENDANCE, AND ALSO JERRY JONES AND METRO COMMISSION CHAIR. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. AND WHAT THEY DO IS PROVIDE ENGINEERING AND LEGAL SUPPORT, ALONG WITH OTHER SUPPORT STAFF TO THE METRO, JPA AND PARTICIPATING AGENCIES, INCLUDING POWAY, TO ENSURE THAT SEWER SYSTEM RATES ARE EQUITABLE AND COUNCIL THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO PUD ON THE EFFICIENT AND ECONOMICAL OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM. AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. TROY. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. I'M HAPPY TO MOVE APPROVAL, BUT ON A SHORT CIRCUIT CONVERSATION OR QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE. PETER, THANKS. GREAT PRESENTATION. TROY. I THINK THIS HAS REALLY BEEN A LONG HAUL. YOU KNOW, SINCE 2021. YOU MENTIONED THOSE 300 MEETINGS OR

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300 PLUS MEETINGS. THERE WERE 50 OR ACTUALLY MORE THAN 50 LINE BY LINE MEETINGS OVER SINCE MARCH TO OCTOBER. SO THOSE ARE PRETTY INTENSE. I THINK THIS NEW AGREEMENT HERE REALLY MODERNIZES HOW POWAY INTERACTS WITH SAN DIEGO FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE PARTICULAR SEWER SERVICES. AND I THINK THE MOVE TO THE FUNCTIONAL ALLOCATED BILLING IS GIVING US A MUCH MORE FAIR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO HOW EACH AGENCY HAS TO CONTRIBUTE TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM. OVERALL. ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPROVEMENTS I THINK I SEE IN SARA IS ACTUALLY HOW THE LIABILITY COMPONENT IS HANDLED IN THE PAST WITH THE ARA, EFFECTIVELY THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, IF THERE WAS A FINE COMING DOWN, COULD REALLY ASSIGN THE WHO PAYS THAT FINE MORE ON THEIR OWN. AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE MORE OF A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND, AND CAN PROVIDE SOME INPUT INTO THAT. TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THERE WERE A COUPLE SPILLS ON SAN DIEGO SIDE DUE TO SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUES THERE THAT THEY HAD. AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF POWAY GOT HIT WITH A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OF FINES AND THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT. AND UNDER THIS NEW FRAMEWORK WE HAVE, WE CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN SUBSTANTIALLY SUBSTANTIVELY. AND SO I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY THAT REALLY STRUCK ME AS, AS THE THING THAT WAS REALLY WHERE I WAS WHERE I WAS FOCUSED. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PURE WATER PROGRAM, THE JPA ALSO HELPS TO TO MANAGE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS. IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN WELCOME OR MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO TELL THEM TO ANSWER IT, YOU KNOW. SO. MR. BRAKUS, ANYTHING I THINK PETER SAID EVERYTHING I WANTED TO SAY OTHER THIS IS AN IMPORTANT AGREEMENT. IT'S IT'S LONG TOO. AS YOU SAW THE AGENDA ITEMS, 140 PAGES ALMOST AND IT'S REALLY DETAILED. BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T THINK ABOUT IT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE SEND STUFF DOWN THE DRAIN OR FLUSH THE TOILET AND IT'S GONE AND IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO TAKES CARE OF IT. BUT THIS IS BASICALLY A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO HOW WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND SO THE SARA IS A PRETTY GOOD AGREEMENT. AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S 12 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES ON ONE SIDE OF THE TABLE WITH US ALONG, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATING WITH SAN DIEGO MAKES IT A IT'S AS FAIR AS A DEAL WE'RE GOING TO GET FOR SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY NEED. SO, YES, TO ME, THIS IS MUST PASS. SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. COUNCIL MEMBER MEAD WAS YOURS A SECOND.

SOMEONE FIRES A SECOND. I KNEW THERE WAS A SECOND IN THERE SOMEWHERE. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE MAYOR AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER PICUS TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTIONS ADOPTING THE SECOND AMENDED AND RESTATED REGIONAL WASTEWATER DISPOSAL AGREEMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE BETWEEN THE CITY OF POWAY AND THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, IN A FORM SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE VERSION OF THE AGREEMENT ATTACHED THERETO, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO APPROVE NON-SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES IN EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT. THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER MEAD, AYE.

COUNCIL MEMBER PICUS II. DEPUTY MAYOR I. MAYOR VOS I. ITEM PASSES. MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT.

[8.Hillside Ridgeline Review Update ]

HILLSIDE RIDGELINE REVIEW UPDATE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES JULIE PROCOPIO WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM. INTERIM CITY PLANNER DON NEW WILL THEN PRESENT THE ITEM ALONG WITH THE POWERPOINT. GOOD EVENING MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS ITEM PROVIDES BACKGROUND AND AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S HILLSIDE RIDGELINE REVIEW PROCESS. WITH ME HERE TONIGHT IS DON NEW, OUR NEW INTERIM CITY PLANNER, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE DON HERE TONIGHT MAKING HIS FIRST PRESENTATION BEFORE. BEFORE DON GETS INTO THE DETAILS OF THE PRESENTATION, I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU MY OBSERVATIONS. AFTER 28 YEARS LIVING IN THIS AREA AND WORKING IN LAND USE FOR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, I CHOSE TO LIVE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF ITS BEAUTY, THE OPEN SPACES AND THE MAJESTIC MOUNTAINS. I DRIVE COMMUNITY ROAD EVERY MORNING AND IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME. THE BEAUTY OF OUR CITY. POWAY'S RIDGELINES ARE SECOND TO NONE.

THIS ISN'T BY CHANCE, IT'S BY DESIGN. WHILE THE GENERAL PLAN SEVERELY LIMITS DENSITY AND GRADING WITHIN THE RIDGELINE AREAS, THE CITY HAS MADE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS IN ACQUIRING AND PARTNERING WITH OTHERS TO ACQUIRE POWAY'S MOST PROMINENT RIDGELINES. IT IS MY

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PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT POWAY IS A LEADER IN THE REGION AT ESTABLISHING A THOROUGH PROCESS DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE THAT DELICATE BALANCE OF A PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE LAND THEY OWN, WHILE PRESERVING OUR CITY IN THE COUNTRY. COMMUNITY CHARACTER. WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DON TO EXPLAIN THE CITY'S LONG HISTORY OF CRAFTING THE STANDARDS THAT GOVERN DEVELOPMENT OF HILLSIDES AND THE PROCESS USED TO CAREFULLY EVALUATE EACH PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. JULIE. DEVELOPMENT IN THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE AREAS OF THE CITY IS A SUBJECT THAT HAS RECEIVED CONSIDERABLE ATTENTION. THIS, IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, SHOW THE DATE THAT NUMEROUS SIGNIFICANT ACTIONS HAVE OCCURRED. THE ACTIONS LISTED ARE NOT ALL INCLUSIVE. IN APRIL 1985, THE REQUIREMENT FOR A MINOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE OVERLAY WAS ADOPTED. THIS WAS A STOPGAP MEASURE WHILE A STUDY WAS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. IN LATE 1985, A DRAFT RIDGELINE HILLSIDE STUDY REPORT WAS CONSIDERED AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS APPROVED IN JANUARY 1986. AFTER SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS AND RECEIVING PUBLIC INPUT BOTH FOR AND AGAINST THE PROPOSED POLICIES AND STANDARDS, THE AMENDMENTS WERE NOT ADOPTED. THEN, IN NOVEMBER OF 1991, THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE WAS APPROVED. INCLUDED WERE POLICIES TO PRESERVE NATURAL, SCENIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCES REQUIREMENTS FOR RIDGELINE AND HILLTOP DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING A VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS AND BRUSH MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

IN FEBRUARY 2000, A REPORT WAS PRESENTED IN RESPONSE TO CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS CONCERNING HILLSIDE, RIDGELINE AND HILLTOP PROTECTION, AND AT THAT TIME NO PROCESS CHANGES WERE MADE. THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE A MINOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION IN THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE OVERLAY AREA WAS RESCINDED IN FEBRUARY OF 2013, MOST RECENTLY, IN MAY OF 2024, AN ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT IS NOT WITHIN A TRACT SUBDIVISION, AN ADDITION TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND A DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDING. THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS CAN APPLY DIRECTLY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE, CLEARING, GRADING, AND BUILDING PERMITS. AFTER RECEIVING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE TENTATIVE MAP. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED POLICIES AND STRATEGIES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO ALLOW DEVELOPMENT OF HILLSIDE RIDGELINE AREAS IN A MANNER THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. CHARACTER STANDARDS FOR REVIEWING DEVELOPMENT ARE LISTED IN THE GENERAL PLAN, AS WELL AS IN RESOLUTION NUMBER ZERO ONE. DASH 103, ATTACHMENT B TO THE AGENDA REPORT THIS EVENING IS AN EXCERPT OF THE APPLICABLE GENERAL PLAN POLICIES THAT WOULD APPLY IN THESE PARTICULAR AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY. ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY INCLUDE POLICIES THAT LIMIT DENSITY AND REQUIRE LARGER LOT SIZES BASED ON THE SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY, AREAS THAT CAN BE GRADED ARE IMPACTED BY DEVELOPMENT, ARE FURTHER LIMITED BY THE HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN, THE FIRE CODE, THE LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION DESIGN MANUAL, AND THE NEED TO AVOID OR MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO CULTURAL RESOURCES, AS WELL AS DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR UTILITIES AND ACCESS. A VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS IS REQUIRED FOR PROJECT SITES WITH SLOPES EQUAL TO AND GREATER THAN 15% IN SLOPE. THE SLOPE ANALYSIS AND VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS IS USED TO DETERMINE THE MOST SUITABLE LOCATION FOR A BUILDING PAD. THE EVALUATION OF VIEWS FROM PUBLIC LOCATIONS LIKE SCENIC ROADWAYS, IS PRIORITIZED AS PART IN PART OF THIS PROCESS. AND WHILE THE 1985 86 HILLSIDE STUDY WAS NOT ADOPTED, THE GRAPHICS FROM THE STUDY ARE USED TO COMMUNICATE HOW TO COMPLY WITH ADOPTED POLICIES AND STANDARDS, AND THIS SLIDE SHOWS TWO OF THE GRAPHICS FROM THAT 1985 HILLSIDE STUDY. THE GRAPHICS GENERALLY SHOW DISCOURAGED AND ENCOURAGED DESIGN APPROACHES.

ONE OF THE KEY REQUIREMENTS, THOUGH, IS MASS GRADING OF CUSTOM RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION LOTS IN HILLSIDE AREAS IS PROHIBITED. SO TURNING TO THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

THE CURRENT PROCESS IN THE RIDGELINE AREA OFTEN INCLUDES SUBDIVISION OF LAND. PLANS FOR A TENTATIVE MAP, INCLUDING A VISUAL IMPACT ANALYSIS AND PRELIMINARY GRADING, ARE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT A PUBLIC HEARING. PROPOSALS ARE EVALUATED AGAINST ALL APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS, AND PROPOSED BUILDING ELEVATIONS ARE INCLUDED ON THE PLANS, SO IF APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, A GRADING PERMIT APPLICATION WITH GRADING PLANS CAN BE SUBMITTED FOR PLAN CHECK, AND PLANS MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ACTION. THE

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NEXT STEP WOULD BE A BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH IS ALSO A MINISTERIAL PROCESS, AND THE PLAN CHECK PROCESS INCLUDES IMPLEMENTING TENTATIVE MAP REQUIREMENTS AND CONFIRMING APPROVED TENTATIVE MAP PAD ELEVATIONS. WE DID EVALUATE EVALUATE THE DATA FOR THE MINOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS 23 MINOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS WERE APPROVED BY STAFF BETWEEN FEBRUARY OF 2013, WHEN THE REQUIREMENT FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL WITHIN THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE OVERLAY AREA WAS ELIMINATED IN MAY OF 2024. 22 OF THESE APPLICATIONS WERE BASED ON PAD ELEVATION AND LOCATION, SHOWN IN THE TENTATIVE MAPS THAT THE COUNCIL HAD APPROVED. ONE OF THE PROJECTS HAD A TENTATIVE MAP WHICH HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY, AND THAT PROPERTY IS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE. IT'S OUTLINED IN RED. THE YELLOWISH SHADING DEPICTS THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE OVERLAY AREA, AND THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS DEMONSTRATE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS CONCENTRATED IN THE LOWER ELEVATIONS OF THE SITE BELOW THE PEAK. OVERALL, THE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT A PUBLIC HEARING AND REVIEW OF PROPOSED BUILDING PADS WAS PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR NEARLY ALL PROJECTS NOW. STAFF APPLIED THE CONDITIONS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL WHEN ISSUING THE APPROVALS. AND NOW TURNING TO SOME PROJECTS THAT WERE RECENTLY BROUGHT UP AT PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS BY RESIDENTS. ON THE LEFT IS A PHOTO SIMULATION PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE AMAZON BUILDING, AND ON THE RIGHT IS A PHOTO PROVIDED BY A RESIDENT, AND THE AMAZON BUILDING IS SUBJECT TO THE SOUTH POWAY SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 1985, AND THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS EVALUATED IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT THAT ASSESSED VISUAL IMPACTS. THE SPECIFIC PLAN ALSO SETS STANDARDS FOR BUILDING HEIGHTS AND SLOPE SETBACKS, AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PERMITS WITHIN THE BUSINESS PARK ARE AN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED REVIEW ITEM. IN 2007, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP AND SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE PROJECT PAD ELEVATIONS AND A REQUEST TO ALLOW SLOPES OVER 30FT IN HEIGHT WERE APPROVED, AND THE PAD WAS GRADED IN 2011, IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE APPROVAL ON OCTOBER 12TH OF 2018, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PERMIT FOR AMAZON WAS APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SOUTH POWAY SPECIFIC PLAN AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 7TH OF 2018, THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERED AN AMENDMENT TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN TO REDESIGNATE THE PARCEL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. AT THAT TIME, PHOTOGRAPHIC SIMULATIONS, INCLUDING THE ONE SHOWN HERE ON THE LEFT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, WERE PROVIDED, AND AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING, THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO APPROVE THE PROJECT. ANOTHER PROJECT OF INTEREST WAS TO WILLIAMS RANCH, AND IN MAY OF 2020, THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERED A TENTATIVE MAP REVISION FOR A HOME ON LOT TEN. IN THAT SUBDIVISION. THE REQUEST INCLUDED A PARTIAL TWO STORY STRUCTURE, RATHER THAN THE SINGLE STORY STRUCTURE REQUIRED IN THE ORIGINAL TENTATIVE MAP, AND PHOTOGRAPHIC SIMULATIONS WERE PRESENTED, INCLUDING THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT AND AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING, THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED. TURNING NOW TO THE BENEFITS AND IMPACTS OF CHANGING THE REVIEW PROCESS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO CONSIDER WHEN WEIGHING WEIGHING BOTH THE BENEFITS AND THE IMPACTS OF MAKING SUCH A CHANGE. THE DISCRETION OF DECISION MAKERS AND ACTING ON PERMITS FOR HOUSING HAS BEEN RATHER LIMITED BY STATE LAW, AND WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS INCLUDE ARE JUST APPLYING THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT AN AGENCY HAS ADOPTED, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO THE REVIEWING BODY OR OFFICIAL IS. THE PROCESS IS ESTIMATED TO ADD COSTS OF BETWEEN $5,500 AND SIX MONTHS OF PROCESSING TIME, AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VISIBILITY FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECTS. HOWEVER, THAT BENEFIT IS LIMITED IN PART AS THE COUNCIL WOULD STILL BE CONSTRAINED BY APPLYING ONLY THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE ADOPTED. CURRENTLY, THE CITY COUNCIL IS APPROVING THE MAJORITY OF GRADING AT THE TENTATIVE MAP STAGE IN THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE PROPERTIES, AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING ARE MANY OF THE OR MANY OF THE PROPOSALS ARE LARGER LOTS THAT ARE INCLUDING A TENTATIVE MAP, WHICH THEN GETS THAT GRADING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. OTHER ACTIONS THE COUNCIL HAS TAKEN TO PROTECT RIDGELINES. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED THE SENSITIVE LANDS ACQUISITION FUND, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED TO ACQUIRE HERITAGE LANDS INCLUDING NOTABLE PORTIONS OF

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TWIN PEAKS, VAN DAM PEAK, TOOTH ROCK AND RATTLESNAKE HILL. THE CITY HAS ACQUIRED MORE THAN 1300 ACRES OF LAND WITHIN THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE AREA FOR PERMANENT PROTECTION, AND THE CITY HAS PARTNERED WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND NONPROFIT GROUPS WHO HAVE ACQUIRED MORE THAN 900 ACRES OF ADDITIONAL LAND, INCLUDING THE BLUE SKY ECOLOGICAL RESERVE SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE. THE HABITAT CONSERVATION CONSERVATION PLAN WAS ADOPTED, WHICH SETS ASIDE 53% OF THE CITY WITHIN ITS MITIGATION AREA BOUNDARY, AND THIS SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITS CLEARING AND GRADING WITHIN THESE AREAS. AND THEN LASTLY, THE GENERAL PLAN ESTABLISHES OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THOUGHTFUL AND MEASURED DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE AREA. SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION ARE INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT AT THIS TIME. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVE THE REPORT, EXCEPT PUBLIC TESTIMONY, DISCUSS THE ITEM AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATION AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DON. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, NINE TOTAL, SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH THOSE. LYLE ARNOLD WILL BE UP FIRST. ON DECK WILL BE JEFF SCHMIDT. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS LYLE ARNOLD. I LIVE ON BOULDER MOUNTAIN NORTH OF TWIN PEAKS. IN 1989, I ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY AND WE WERE TOTALLY SUBJECTED TO HILLSIDE REVIEW. THAT MEANT ONE STORY NOT TO EXCEED 18FT. WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO FURTHER MITIGATE THE VISIBILITY OF OUR HOUSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE, I SHOULD SAY, ME AND OUR FOUR BOYS AND NOW FOUR GRANDKIDS, YOU KNOW, HAVE ALL LIVED IN POWAY. I LOVE LIVING HERE. WE ALSO VERY MUCH APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT POWAY RESPECTED THE RIDGELINES. WE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH GOING THROUGH RIDGELINE REVIEW OURSELVES AND LIKE THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS THE RIDGELINES. THAT CHANGED IN 2018 WITH THIS HOUSE. THIS IS WHAT THIS IS A VIEW FROM MY PROPERTY AT THE ELEVATION OF MY HOUSE THAT I SEE TO THE SOUTH.

PREVIOUSLY, THIS WAS TOTALLY UNDISTURBED COASTAL SAGE SCRUB. IT FALLS RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN FOR TWIN PEAKS. IT WAS SET ASIDE, PROTECT GNATCATCHER, PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT, AND ALSO TO PROTECT OTHER SPECIES. I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROJECT. ITS SIZE IT IT OBVIOUSLY HEAVILY DEVIATED FROM THE EARLIER RIDGELINE REVIEW PROCESS AND LIMITING HOUSES TO ONE STORY. IT ALSO BYPASSED THE FOR WILLIAM WILLIAMS RANCH.

THIS WAS LOT EIGHT, RESTRICTING THE HOUSES TO ONE STORY. IT ALSO HAS A WALL NOW COMPLETELY SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, MAKING ANY ACCESS IN OR THROUGH THE PROPERTY BY WILDLIFE IMPOSSIBLE, AND ADDITIONALLY. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM MY HOUSE AND PROPERTY AT NIGHT.

IT NOW HAS OVER 30 HIGH INTENSITY LANDSCAPE LIGHTS. THE HOUSE IS ILLUMINATED LIKE A CAR DEALERSHIP ON THE RIDGELINE. IT RECENTLY ADDED ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, AS WELL AS ABOUT A 20 FOOT ENTRY MONUMENT THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF OTHER PERSPECTIVES OF THIS PLACE AT NIGHTTIME. THAT'S FROM, OH, GUESS I'M GOING BACKWARDS.

INSTEAD OF I GO, OKAY, THIS IS FROM THE TOP OF SUMMIT CIRCLE. THAT'S THE ENTRY MONUMENT AGAIN.

THIS IS OUR LOVELY NIGHTTIME VIEW TO THE SOUTH. WHILE I NEED YOU TO WRAP IT UP. YEP. IT'S NOT MOVING. CAN YOU ADVANCE IT? OR WHOEVER'S GOT. THAT'S ANOTHER VIEW. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM RB HIGH SCHOOL. IT'S NOT ONLY THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY

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THE APPEARANCE OF THIS HOUSE IN NIGHTTIME VIEWS. THIS IS OUR BABY HIGH SCHOOL. LITTLE FUZZY.

SO ALL OF THIS SAID, IF YOU GO TO THE TIMES UP SLIDE, LYLE, TIME IS UP. THIS IS THAT HOUSE NUMBER TEN THAT WE JUST SAW ALSO PROMINENTLY ON THE RIDGELINE. ALSO, LYLE, YOUR TIME IS UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. I ASK YOU TO GET MUCH MORE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. JEFF SCHMIDT. ON DECK WILL BE JOE SAINT LUCAS. SO ONE OBJECTIVE DESIGN CRITERIA IS IN THE. OUR GENERAL PLAN AND IS NOT TO BUILD ON PROMINENT RIDGELINES. THAT'S A SIMPLE ONE.

YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHERE THE PROMINENT RIDGELINES ARE. AND I BELIEVE THOSE RED LINES ARE ARE IT SO. I WANT TO ASK PLEASE RESTORE OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY IN THIS PROCESS.

REINSTATE RESOLUTION 8519. SO CITY COUNCIL ONCE AGAIN REVIEWS ALL PROJECTS AND RIDGELINE REVIEW AREAS. RESIDENTS NEED TRANSPARENCY AND OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE IRRESISTIBLE DECISIONS ARE MADE. UPHOLD THE GENERAL PLAN PROTECTIONS FOR RIDGELINES AND HILLSIDES. DISCLOSE THE PROMINENT RIDGELINE MAP AND HONOR THE GENERAL PLAN.

PROHIBITIONS ON BUILDING ON THE RIDGELINES, REVIEW POLICIES AND ENSURE THE RESTRICTIONS ON RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENTS ARE CLEAR TO PROJECT APPLICANTS. I'VE SEEN DOCUMENTS THAT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION THAT. IT JUST SAYS IF YOU'RE IN A RIDGELINE REVIEW AREA, YOU HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE ON A RIDGELINE, YOU CAN'T DO IT. BUT WE'RE DOING IT.

SO CALIFORNIA LAW REQUIRES ALL APPROVED PROJECTS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN. REINSTATE THE REQUIREMENTS, RESTORE MDA REVIEW FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ADUS. THIS ENSURES PROJECTS COMPLY WITH BOTH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE POWER HCB EARLY IN THE PROCESS. EXPAND PUBLIC NOTIFICATIONS. THE 500 FOOT NOTIFICATION RADIUS IS OBVIOUSLY INADEQUATE AND DESIGNED TO KEEP US IN THE DARK ON PROJECT PLANS THAT CAN AFFECT ALL OF US. EXPAND PROJECT NOTIFICATIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR OPEN SPACES AND RIDGELINES TO REACH INTERESTED RESIDENTS CITYWIDE. ABOUT THE WILLIAMS RANCH FAILURE.

DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED ON ONE OF NORWAY'S MOST PROMINENT RIDGELINES, A CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE GENERAL PLAN. OUR SKYLINE HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY ALTERED, SHOWING CRITICAL SAFEGUARDS HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND THEY NEED TO BE REINSTATED WITHOUT RESTORING OVERSIGHT.

MORE VIOLATIONS MAY ALREADY BE HAPPENING. I REQUEST AN INVESTIGATION INTO THESE APPROVALS THAT VIOLATE OUR GENERAL PLAN. HOW WERE THE WILLIAMS RANCH HOMES APPROVED WHEN THEY VIOLATE THE RIDGELINE PROHIBITION AND A GENERAL PLAN? WHY WERE TWO STORY HOMES ALLOWED WHEN NOT PERMITTED AN ORIGINAL PLAN? WHO AUTHORIZED THESE DECISIONS? AND HOW COULD A CLEAR GENERAL PLAN VIOLATION BE CONSIDERED MITIGATED? AND MY SLIDE HERE SHOWS THAT TWO OF THE HOMES ARE DIRECTLY ON A RIDGELINE. ONE IS ON A PROMINENT KNOLL, THE X THERE.

AND THOSE LINES, THOSE RED LINES ARE THE RIDGELINES FROM OUR GIS. OOPS. HOW COME IT'S NOT GOING? IT'S UPSIDE DOWN. JEFF, YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP. YOUR TIME IS UP. SO THIS IS A VIEW OF THE RIDGELINE AT THE LEVEL OF THE RIDGELINE. SO IT SHOWS THAT IT'S OBVIOUSLY PROMINENT. THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND IT. BUT YET WE BUILT ON IT IN VIOLATION OF OUR GENERAL PLAN. THANK YOU. JOE SAINT LUCAS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JULIE SCARDINA. WHERE'S THE COUNTDOWN TIMER? OH, THERE IT IS. GOT IT. JOE SAINT LUCAS I LIVE ON SUNRISE DRIVE, WHICH IS NEAR TWIN PEAKS AND POMERADO ROAD INTERSECTION. THIS IS MY VIEW FROM THE BACKYARD. YOU CAN SEE WILLIAMS RANCH, OF COURSE. OWL PROTECTING THE PEACH TREE OVER ON THE RIGHT THAT YOU CAN'T SEE MOUNT WOODSON AND IRON MOUNTAIN. SO THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2012. IT'S ABOUT AN 11,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. WHEN THEY HAD THE AGENDA ITEM, IT SAID PEOPLE WILL BE IMPACTED WITH A VIEW BY SILVER SET PARK. SO I WAS AT THE MEETING SINCE OF COURSE I AM.

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AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF THIS. I THOUGHT, OKAY, I'M NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED.

BOOM, THEY GO TO BUILD IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE. YOU KNOW, AT NIGHT TIME. ALSO, IT'S ALL LIT UP. THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT IS APPROVED IN 2020. DURING THE PANDEMIC, A ROUGHLY 10,000FT■!S.

AND THEY SHOWED PICTURES. OF COURSE I PRESSED THE WRONG ONE. THEY SHOWED PICTURES OF OF THE WHAT THE VIEWSCAPE WAS GOING TO BE, AND I CAN'T GET TO MY THERE. THERE WE GO. OKAY, SO THEY SHOWED PICTURES THAT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THIS ON THE BOTTOM AND THEY SAID, OH, ONLY PEOPLE TO THE WEST AND THE SOUTHWEST ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS. AND THE QUESTION IS, WELL, HOW MUCH VIEW DOES SOMEBODY NEED BEFORE IT'S TOO MUCH? THE CITY WAS WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE COLOR FOR THE BOTTOM ONE, AND THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE A MUTED EARTH TONE. AND SO TO MINIMIZE THE DISTRACTION TO THE THE RIDGELINE. NOW, DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THE VIEWSCAPE IS MINIMIZED, JUST LIKE THE TOP ONE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DARK TAN? I'D ARGUE IT'S LIGHT TAN, BUT YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? THE THERE'S A TOOL SHED OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND OVER ON THE TOP PICTURE THAT WAS PUT IN MID SEPTEMBER. YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND TOOL SHEDS BUT SON OF A GUN. PAINT IT. IT'S WHITE. IT JUST STANDS OUT LIKE A BLOT. PEOPLE CAN SAY YOU CAN. BUILD WHAT YOU WANT. NOW I DON'T BELIEVE YOU KNOW THESE WERE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT THE RULES ARE? IF THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL APPROVES? NOW, ONE THING THAT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THIS IS LAST YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION, I POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THIS STUFF AND I SAID, CAITLYN FRANK VOTED ON THIS SECOND PROJECT.

AFTER THE ELECTION. I HAD TWO PEOPLE, TWO COUPLES IN THIS ROOM. FOUR PEOPLE COME TO ME AND SAID, WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR CAITLYN FRANK OR JENNY MAEDA. AFTER YOUR PRESENTATION, WE VOTED FOR JENNY MAEDA. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOPIC PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.

THANK YOU. JULIE SCARDINA, FOLLOWED BY LORI BRENNAN. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN BEFORE THE COUNCIL, AND I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE GUIDANCE THAT I RECEIVED BECAUSE I TURNED IN MY COMMENTS A LITTLE TOO EARLY, BUT I DID WANT TO SPEAK IN PERSON BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND MY FAMILY. WE CAME HERE TO POWAY OVER 11 YEARS AGO, AND IT IS A PLACE THAT WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IT CHANGING. LIKE ALL THE PICTURES THAT WE SEEN HERE, IT'S VERY DISTURBING. MY HUSBAND, MY MOM AND I MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE RURAL FEEL OF POWAY, THE ABUNDANT WILDLIFE AND THE OPEN WILD LANDS WITH THE GORGEOUS TREES, THE NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS. WE LIVE IN NORTHERN POWAY AND OWL'S NEST IN MY YARD AND HAVE RAISED THEIR YOUNG. WE HAVE A BOBCAT THAT CALLS THAT SAME TERRITORY. IT'S HOME AS WELL. WE HAVE DEER THAT SHOW UP TO FORAGE ON OUR NATIVE PLANTS, AND COYOTES ROAM ACROSS OUR OUR, OUR LOTS, NOWHERE ELSE WHERE WE'VE LIVED IN SAN DIEGO COMES CLOSE TO LIVING IN POWAY. THE NATURAL OPEN SPACES, THE RIDGELINES, THE HILLSIDES, THE WILDLIFE CORRIDORS ARE CENTRAL TO OUR CITY'S IDENTITY, ITS NATURAL BEAUTY AND ITS WILDLIFE HABITAT. I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOGO FOR POWAY, AND IT'S GOT TREE AND IT'S GOT MOUNTAINS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING UP ON THAT RIDGELINE. SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT POWAY IS SUPPOSED TO BE. SINCE MOVING HERE, OUR FAMILY HAS SEEN THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON LOCAL ECOSYSTEMS FROM CONSTRUCTION, FENCING AND HABITAT LOSS. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL NEW PROJECTS IN OUR AREA, SOME VERY BIG AND SOME SMALL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY. IT'S GOING TO BE GENERAL COMMENTS COMING FROM SOMEBODY, LIKE I SAID, WHO DEEPLY LOVES LIVING HERE. MY HUSBAND AND I URGE YOU TO NOT ONLY RESTORE THE PROTECTIONS, THE RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, BUT TO GO FURTHER IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WHEN YOU TAKE ONE EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING AND IT'S THAT INCREDIBLY DISTURBING TO SEE. AND YET YOU'VE GOT MANY DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE COMING IN

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AND THEY'RE ALL LOOKED ON AS INDIVIDUALS. BUT WHEN YOU PUT THEM CUMULATIVELY TOGETHER, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLACE. AND SO I JUST URGE US TO ALL THINK IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE WANT POWAY TO BE AND HOW CAN WE PROTECT IT. AND I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. AND I LOVE OUR CITY IN THE COUNTRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LORI BRENNAN. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LORI GRANNAN. I'M CHAIRPERSON OF PRESERVE WHILE POWAY, A NONPROFIT WORKING TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE SPECIFICALLY RIDGELINES, WETLANDS AND WILDLIFE CORRIDORS. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE MANY RESIDENTS, INCLUDING OUR ORGANIZATION, ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE ON POWAY'S RIDGELINES. I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO RESCIND THE MEASURE. 13001 AND REINSTATE THE RESOLUTION 85019, RESTORING CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND PUBLIC OVERSIGHT FOR OUR HILLSIDE AND RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENT. SINCE RESOLUTION 85019 WAS RESCINDED IN 2013, WE'VE LOST AN IMPORTANT SAFEGUARD THE PROTECTED POWAY'S ICONIC HILLSIDES AND PRESERVED OUR IDENTITY AS THE CITY AND THE COUNTRY WITHOUT COUNCIL OVERSIGHT, THESE DECISIONS SHIFTED ENTIRELY TO STAFF, ELIMINATING TRANSPARENCY AND LIMITING MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY INPUT. THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT VIEWS OR RIDGELINES AND HILLSIDES ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL. THEIR NATIVE VEGETATION PREVENTS EROSION, MAINTAINS NATURAL DRAINAGE, AND SUPPORTS WILDLIFE CORRIDORS FOR BOBCATS, DEER, COYOTES, AND OTHER SPECIES THAT RELY ON OUR OPEN SPACES FOR SURVIVAL. WHEN DEVELOPMENT OCCURS ON RIDGELINES LIKE WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON BOULDER MOUNTAIN, IT FRAGMENTS HABITAT BRINGING LIGHTING, AS WE SAW WITH LISLE'S PHOTOS AND NOISE. AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION AS WELL INTO SENSITIVE AREAS. IT ALSO INCREASES FIRE RISK AND VISUALLY SCARS OUR LANDSCAPE. THE RATIONALE FOR REMOVING OVERSIGHT WAS STREAMLINING, BUT THE CONSEQUENCES HAVE BECOME CLEAR. POWAY IS LOSING THE NATURAL FEATURES THAT MAKE IT UNIQUE AND BEAUTIFUL. TONIGHT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO TAKE THREE ACTIONS ONE. REINSTATE RESOLUTION 85019 AND RETURN RIDGELINE AND HILLSIDE REVIEW TO THE CITY COUNCIL. NUMBER TWO. STRENGTHEN RIDGELINE PROTECTIONS. I THINK WE NEED THAT TO ALIGN WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN AND OUR LONG STANDING CITY IN THE COUNTRY.

VISION AND NUMBER THREE, RESTORE MEANINGFUL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN DECISIONS THAT PERMANENTLY SHAPE OUR NATURAL LANDSCAPES. PROTECTING OUR RIDGELINES IS ABOUT LONG TERM COMMUNITY VALUE, NOT SHORT TERM CONVENIENCE. RESTORING COUNCIL OVERSIGHT WILL RENEW ACCOUNTABILITY AND GIVE POWAY RESIDENTS A VOICE IN DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THE CHARACTER CHARACTER OF OUR CITY FOREVER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, CHRIS. GOOD EVENING. I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES. 2018 COMES TO MIND WITH THE AMAZON BUILDING. THE NEWS USED MY PICTURE. I CAN GUESS WHERE THEY GOT IT FROM, BUT SPECIFICALLY THAT WAS AN OOPSIE WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP AND SAID, HEY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? IT WAS A WE DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A ESSENTIALLY A LESS INTENSE LAND USE APPROVED BACK IN. WAS IT 2018 THAT ALLOWED FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRY? AND THEN THE BUILDING APPEARED AND EVERYONE WAS LIKE, WHOA. I MEAN, IF WE ASKED EVERYBODY IN POWAY TO RAISE THEIR HANDS AND SAY, HEY, AFTER THIS COUNCIL MEETING, DO YOU EXPECT A BUILDING TO APPEAR ON THAT RIDGELINE RIGHT THERE? ANYBODY? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD RAISE THEIR HANDS. WE CAN LOOK AT THE PICTURE. YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, GO DOWN TO THE STREET LEVEL AND TAKE A PICTURE RIGHT NOW AND TELL ME THOSE ARE THE SAME. I CHALLENGE ANYBODY TO TELL ME THOSE ARE THE SAME. THEY ARE NOT. NOW, AS WAS OUTLINED, THERE WERE MANY DIFFERENT CHANGES OVER THE YEARS BEFORE THE FINAL PRODUCT. WHAT WAS MISSING WAS OVERSIGHT.

A SIMPLE PUBLIC DISCUSSION OVER WHAT WOULD BE WHEN THE FINAL RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. THAT'S

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WHAT'S BEING ASKED HERE. WHY ARE WE REMOVING THAT? IS 23 ISH APPROVALS TOO HARD IN TEN YEARS? THAT'S TWO A YEAR. I THINK YOU GUYS CAN HANDLE THAT. I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF COUNCIL CANCELED COUNCIL MEETINGS AND I THINK WE CAN FIT SOME IN THERE. BUT REALLY WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO IS THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO BE INVOLVED IN SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. RIDGELINE REVIEWS GOING BACK TO THE AMAZON BUILDING, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PREVIOUS SAID, WHY DIDN'T YOU SPEAK UP? THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY I HAD WAS THE LESS INTENSE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL APPROVAL. HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW? JUST LIKE, HOW WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW? I CAN'T HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW, WHICH IS WHY THIS NEEDS TO BE HERE, SO THAT WE ALL CAN BE ACCOUNTABLE AND WE ALL CAN SPEAK TO THE ISSUES, RIGHT? WRONG, INDIFFERENT. WHATEVER IS APPROVED, IT AT LEAST DESERVES THE PUBLIC ABILITY TO SEE, HEAR AND KNOW THAT THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS RATHER THAN ANOTHER OOPSIE. AT THE TIME. I COULD GO BACK TO THE MEETING AND CHECK, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WAS NOT SUBJECT TO, AND I'M PRETTY SURE CAME UP IN A COUNCIL MEETING NOT SUBJECT TO RIDGELINE REVIEW. I'M GLAD TO SEE IT IS THERE, BECAUSE IT IS STILL ON YOUR WEBSITE SHOWING THAT. BUT OVERALL, LET'S JUST BE HONEST WITH EACH OTHER. THE PUBLIC DESERVES THE RIGHT. IT ISN'T ABOUT STOPPING PEOPLE THOUGH. IN SOME CASES THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY. IT'S ABOUT INFORMATION, ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. THIS IS HOW YOU GET BY THE 500 FOOT THING. YOU PUT IT IN THE PAPER AND SAY, HEY GUYS, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS, AND THEN EVERYBODY CAN COME. BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. THANK YOU. CHRIS CRUZ. GOOD EVENING. 12 YEARS AGO, WHEN JOHN MULLEN PROPOSED THAT STAFF INSTEAD OF COUNCIL APPROVED PROJECTS IN THE DESIGNATED HILLSIDE RIDGELINE AREAS, THERE WAS QUITE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. THE THREE HOUSES THAT NOW SIT ON BOULDER MOUNTAIN RIDGELINE ARE TESTAMENT TO THOSE FEARS. THOSE APPROVALS WERE DONE AT A COUNCIL MEETING, BUT THE STUNNING THING IS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF BLEW OFF ALL THE GENERAL PLAN RULES AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE BUILDING ON THE RIDGELINE, CLAIMING THAT THE VISUAL IMPACT COULD BE MITIGATED TO SOMETHING LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT BY USING MUTED PAINT COLORS. I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC AGREES THAT THE IMPACT IS INSIGNIFICANT, BUT EVEN IF THEY DID, THE RIGHT THING TO DO WOULD BE TO HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS, ASSESS PUBLIC SENTIMENT AND THEN CHANGE THE GENERAL PLAN. IF THE PUBLIC SUPPORTS DEVELOPMENT ON THE RIDGELINES, NEITHER COUNCIL MEMBERS NOR STAFF SHOULD BE SUBSTITUTING THEIR OWN PERSONAL PREFERENCES FOR GENERAL PLAN RULES WHEN MAKING DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS. WHEN THAT AMAZON BUILDING POPPED UP, I ASKED BOB MANIS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, TO SEND ME A COPY OF THE REQUIRED HILLSIDE RIDGELINE REVIEW, AND HE RESPONDED THAT HE HAD NOT DONE ONE. WHEN SOUTH POWAY SPECIFIC PLAN WAS APPROVED. THE PLAN STATED THAT THE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT SURROUNDS THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WAS A VISUAL BUFFER THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO SEPARATE VISUALLY THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND THAT'S WHY CITY MANAGER BAUERSACHS PROMISED RESIDENTS WE WOULD NOT SEE THE INDUSTRIAL PARK BUILDINGS FROM THE VALLEY. A SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL INCREASED THE HEIGHT FROM 35FT TO 45FT, BUT THAT DIDN'T CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT THAT A HILLSIDE RIDGELINE REVIEW SHOULD BE DONE.

NOR DID IT CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE BUILDINGS SHOULD NOT BE SEEN OUTSIDE OF THE VISUAL BUFFER. I THINK THE INTENDED PURPOSE OF HAVING STAFF DO THE HILLSIDE RIDGELINE REVIEW APPROVALS WAS TO GET AROUND THE RULES AND GET THINGS BUILT BEFORE THE PUBLIC FINDS OUT ABOUT IT AND TRIES TO STOP IT. AS CAITLYN FRANK SAID AT THE LEAKED CLOSED SESSION, IT WAS BETTER TO APPROVE LIFETIME FITNESS BEFORE THE FARM RESIDENTS MOVED IN SO THEY COULDN'T YELL AT THE COUNCIL. THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE SO MUCH SECRECY ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PLANS, NOR SHOULD THE PLANS DEVIATE SO MUCH FROM THE GENERAL PLAN. TO CELEBRATE OUR CITY'S 45TH BIRTHDAY, I CAN THINK OF NO BETTER PRESENT THAN A NEW COMMITMENT TO OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY, AND TO INVOLVE THE PUBLIC IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. PLEASE BRING BACK COUNCIL APPROVAL WITH PUBLIC INPUT OF ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE

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HILLSIDE RIDGELINE OVERLAY AREAS. THANK YOU. JOSEPH DIEDRICHS. DEAR MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE. ALSO, AFTER MORE THAN 30 YEARS IN POWAY, AND I ALSO WAS ONE THAT MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF THE RIDGELINE, THE APPEAL OF THE CITY, THE CITY IN THE COUNTRY, THE HORSES AND WHATNOT. I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF CITY COUNCIL RATHER THAN STAFF APPROVING RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENTS. EVEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN POWAY. HERE ARE A FEW REASONS OUR HILLS AND RIDGELINES DEFINE THE CHARACTER OF OUR TOWN VISUALLY. THAT VISUAL CHARACTER HAS HUGE PSYCHOLOGICAL CONSEQUENCES FOR ALL OF US. DISTURBED, HILLS AND REDLINED. AND I SAW INSIGNIFICANTLY DETERIORATE EVERY SINGLE POOR REGIONS ENJOYMENT OF OUR SPECIAL PLACE. THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE INVOLVED AND CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE A VOICE BEFORE MORE RIDGELINES ARE LOST. THE LIGHT POLLUTION IN POWAY IS ALREADY SIGNIFICANT, AND ANY RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES. I KNOW THE AMAZON BUILDING IN THE SOUTH POWAY BUSINESS PARK IS NOT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. IT REQUIRED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL ALREADY, BUT WE LIVE IN ITS SHADOW AND IT'S SO SAD AND SUCH AN EYESORE EVERY NIGHT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MISSED THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. RIDGELINES TEND TO BE RELATIVELY UNDISTURBED. COASTAL SAGEBRUSH THE AMAZING AND UNIQUE ECOSYSTEM IN OUR AREA. WE OCCUPY ONE OF ONLY FIVE ZONES WITH MEDITERRANEAN CLIMATE IN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND WE ALREADY HAVE LOST SO MUCH OF OUR COASTAL SAGE SCRUB HABITAT WHEN CONVERTING MORE OF IT TO SINGLE FAMILY MANSIONS. AT LEAST THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD WEIGH IN, AND ALL OF US SHOULD HAVE A VOICE. RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENT IS ALMOST ALWAYS SURROUNDED BY NATIVE HABITAT AND WILL CREATE A HIGH FIRE RISK HOUSE. THAT MEANS MOST LIKELY ALL OF US WILL HAVE TO PITCH IN FOR MORE FIRE SUPPRESSION RESOURCES THAN WE WOULD HAVE TO IF THE SAME HOUSE WERE BUILT IN AN ALREADY DEVELOPED AREA. FIREFIGHTER WILL BE AT AN INCREASED RISK FOR THE FAMILY'S BENEFIT, NOT TO MENTION INSURANCE RATES, WHICH WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ADDITIONAL RISK AGAIN IMPACTING ALL OF US, AT LEAST THE CITY COUNCIL AND INTERESTED CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO ASCERTAIN THAT WE WILL NOT BE EXPOSED TO UNDUE RISK. THE FACT THAT RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENT IS SURROUNDED BY NATIVE HABITAT ALSO IMPLIES THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CLEARING BEYOND THE PART FOR THE HOME. I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP. YOUR TIME IS UP. YEAH, YEAH. PLEASE VOTE TO CHANGE THE RIDGELINE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR ALL DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND INCLUDES ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW. TRANSPARENCY MATTERS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. JOHN MULLEN JOHN MULLEN. JOHN MULLEN, POWAY. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT PREPARED REMARKS HERE, BUT I I'M GOING TO DEVIATE THEM BECAUSE I'M STRUCK BY WHAT, TO ME IS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE COMPLAINTS AIRED BY THE SPEAKERS BEFORE AND THE AND THE ITEM THAT'S ON THE TABLE.

THEY CITE WILLIAMS RANCH OFTEN AS THEIR EXAMPLE. AND IF WILLIAMS RANCH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS THE ONE PROJECT THAT THE CITY INHERITED. IT WAS NOT SUBDIVIDED UNDER THE CITY'S RULES AND AND GUIDELINES, AND NOT SUBJECT TO THE SCRUTINY THAT A HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT WOULD RECEIVE. NOW. AND I'M ALSO STRUCK BY JUST KIND OF THE MISCONCEPTION THAT EVERY APPLICATION THAT COMES BEFORE YOU OR EVERY APPLICATION THAT IS SUBMITTED IS DISCRETIONARY.

THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A TIME WHEN THE STAFF REPORT ACTUALLY DOES A PRETTY THOROUGH CHRONOLOGY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, WHICH IS TO SAY, THE INITIAL COUNCIL INITIATED THIS THIS PLAN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WHILE THEY DEVELOPED THE HILLSIDE AND RIDGELINE GUIDELINES. ONCE THEY WERE DEVELOPED AND ADOPTED. THE QUESTION FOR ANY APPLICANT IS

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DOES IT COMPLY WITH THE RIDGELINE REQUIREMENTS? AND IF THEY DO, THERE REALLY IS NO DECISION TO BE MADE. THERE'S NO DISCRETIONARY WHEN SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH A BUILDING PERMIT, AN MDRA, WHICH IS THE ITEM ON THE TABLE. NOW, SHOULD MRAS COME TO THE COUNCIL, BY THE TIME YOU'VE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT, WHAT WE WILL KNOW IS IF, IN FACT, THAT WAS A MDRA FOR A PROJECT, FOR A HOME BUILT ON A PROJECT SUBDIVIDED UNDER THE MDRA GUIDELINES THAT EXIST NOW, THE RIDGELINE GUIDELINES THAT EXIST NOW, ALL OF THE CONDITIONS WE WANT TO IMPOSE HAVE BEEN IMPOSED. AND THEN TO BRING FORWARD THE BUILDING APPLICATION FOR FURTHER SCRUTINY IS UNNECESSARY AND ACTUALLY FRUITLESS. AT THAT POINT, THERE IS NO DISCRETION TO MAKE CHANGES. THERE'S LEGALLY NO JUSTIFICATION TO TRY TO NEGOTIATE ANY CHANGES, AND THERE'S REALLY NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO HAVE THAT APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THE STAFF REPORT DOES A GOOD JOB OF IDENTIFYING THE FACT THAT ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE IN PLACE. WE HAVE VERY STRINGENT HILLSIDE AND RIDGELINE GUIDELINES, AND THEY ARE CONTAINED IN THE GENERAL PLAN. AND BY THE TIME SOMETHING COMES BEFORE YOU, YOU WILL HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL THAT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WILLIAMS RANCH, WHICH IS THE SUBDIVISION THAT WE INHERITED WHEN WE INCORPORATED THE IDEA THAT HOUSES SHOULD NOT BE VISIBLE TO ME IS A MISGUIDED CONCEPT OF SOMEBODY. RIGHT. I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU LIVE HERE DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO TELL SOMEBODY ELSE WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THE HILL, AND I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR THE HOUSES AND PROJECTS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL IN WILLIAMS RANCH. IS THAT A TWO STORY HOUSE? I WILL SPEAK FROM MY OWN VOTE ON THOSE ANYWAY. I HIS RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THE WAY HE WANTS TO ME EXCEEDS YOUR RIGHT TO LOOK AT IT FROM WHO KNOWS HOW FAR AWAY. I BELIEVE THE GUIDELINES ARE IN PLACE. I SUBMIT THAT THERE'S PROBABLY IS NOT A THOROUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CURRENT GUIDELINES ARE, BUT THE SLOPE CRITERIA ON A HILLSIDE DEVELOPMENT ALREADY PROBABLY INDICATES THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A 20 ACRE LOT. NEED YOU TO WRAP UP, I WILL. THE GUIDELINES ARE IN PLACE, AND I BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS RELATIVELY SMALL. AND I THINK THIS IS AGAIN, THIS IS A SOLUTION CHASING THE WRONG PROBLEM.

THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WE DID HAVE ONE WRITTEN COMMENT CARD FROM DEBORAH SCHNEIDER WANTING TO. AS LONG TIME POWAY RESIDENT, I WANTED TO BE NOTIFIED OF CHANGES WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AN AGENDA TO APPROVE A RIDGELINE PROJECT. PLEASE PRESERVE OUR CITY IN THE COUNTRY. WE'LL NOW GO TO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER MAIDA, THIS WAS YOURS. SO WE'LL START WITH YOU. WHAT MAKES POWAY DIFFERENT? WHAT MAKES POWAY SPECIAL? THE IDENTITY AND APPEAL OF OUR CITY IS LARGELY ATTRIBUTED TO THE BEAUTY OF ITS WILD, OPEN SPACES AND NATURAL HILLS AND RIDGE LINES. TODAY WE CELEBRATE OUR 45TH BIRTHDAY, BUT ON OUR 100TH BIRTHDAY, WILL THERE BE ANY UNBLIGHTED RIDGELINES LEFT TO CELEBRATE? TO ENSURE THAT THERE WILL BE, WE MUST RETURN TO THE RESOLUTION AND RESTRICTIONS PUT IN PLACE BY OUR CITY'S FOUNDERS. WHEN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION WAS RESCINDED, THE JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING SO INCLUDED DECREASING THE BURDEN ON STAFF AND PRIORITIZING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. NEITHER OF THESE MAKE COMPELLING ARGUMENTS. INSTEAD, THEY ARE SHORTSIGHTED AND SELFISH REASONS. THE 2013 STAFF REPORT SHOWED THAT 19 HILLSIDE RIDGELINE MINOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATIONS HAD BEEN PROCESSED OVER THE PREVIOUS SEVEN YEARS THAT AVERAGED OUT TO LESS THAN THREE A YEAR, WITH AN ESTIMATED TIME FRAME OF 24 HOURS PER APPLICATION. THAT SEEMS TO PRESERVE SOMETHING SO PRICELESS AND SO TIMELESS. AS COUNCIL MEMBER DAYHOFF SAID IT BEST IN HIS ELOQUENT EMAIL TO THE COUNCIL ON JANUARY 14TH, 2013, QUOTE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOT SACRIFICE THE RIGHTS OF MANY TO INTRODUCE NEW PRIVILEGES TO THE FEW, UNQUOTE, BY THE VOLUME AND CONTENT OF EMAILS AND SPEAKERS. IT APPEARS THAT ALMOST EVERYONE AGREES. I MOVE TO ONCE AGAIN REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE RIDGELINE REVIEW AREA.

COUNCILMEMBER PINCUS. I HEAR EVERYTHING I CAN. I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION, TOO, FROM MR. ARNOLD WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SHOWED US THOSE PICTURES OF THAT WALLED COMPOUND, IT WAS LIT UP. AND SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND A LOT OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE ALSO ILLUSTRATED HERE, AND I JUST HAD A FEW THOUGHTS. AND ONE OF THEM AND AGAIN, I THINK I PROBABLY REFLECT WHAT JENNY SAID IS THAT SOMETIMES STREAMLINING ISN'T ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA, IS THAT EFFICIENCY IN GOVERNMENT IS SOMETIMES GETS TOO EFFICIENT. AND SO THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE A QUESTION

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AS TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY A RIDGELINE. I THINK WE BROUGHT THAT UP LAST TIME WHEN THIS THING CAME UP, BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO SAY WHAT IT IS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT. SO AND RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE RULE IS THAT THE SLOPE IS MORE THAN 15%. IT GETS A REVIEW. AND ONE THING THAT I'VE SEEN IN ALL THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT AND IN THE PRESENTATION, IS THAT SOMETIMES THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT GETS APPROVED AND WHAT ACTUALLY IS LOOKS LIKE THE FINISHED PRODUCT, LIKE IN THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THE AMAZON BUILDING. IT GOT, YOU KNOW, THE PAD AND ELEVATION GOT APPROVED IN 2007, AND IT SEEMED PRETTY INNOCUOUS.

AND IN THE END 2018, THEY WERE PRESENTING THIS BUILDING THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT UP, AND IT LOOKED PRETTY NICE. BUT WHEN IT WAS FINALLY BUILT, IT, I THINK PEOPLE WERE KIND OF SURPRISED. AND AGAIN, I GUESS I'M JUST DEVIATING HERE. BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHAT'S APPROVED AND WHAT ACTUALLY GETS BUILT SOMETIMES SEEMS TO BE A CATCH, PEOPLE BY SURPRISE. BUT WHEN I READ THE STAFF REPORT AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE A, YOU KNOW, A LOT SUBDIVISION AND A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP GETS APPROVED WITH THE PAD SITING LOCATION. AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, EVEN IF WE HAD A RIDGELINE REVIEW FOR SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES, THEY'D PROBABLY HAVE TO PASS BECAUSE THEY WOULD CONFORM TO THE RULES IN PLACE AT THE TIME. AS JOHN MULLAN HAD POINTED OUT. BUT I HEAR WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS THAT THEY WANT NOTICE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, ESPECIALLY THE BALANCING THAT OUT IS. YOU KNOW, WHEN IS IT TOO LATE? BECAUSE WHEN THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP GETS, YOU KNOW, PUT UP AND APPROVED AND THEN THE GRADING PERMIT GETS ISSUED AND THE BUILDING PERMIT GETS APPLIED FOR AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THE STATE LAW IS PRETTY SPECIFIC IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET MUCH DISCRETION TO LIKE, DENY THAT. AND IF IT DID VIOLATE THE RIDGE, YOU KNOW, THE RIDGELINE, THE CITY PLANNERS WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT AND POINTED THAT OUT, AND THEY WOULD HAVE ALTERED THEIR PLAN. SO AT THAT POINT, I THINK EVEN IF WE HAD A RIDGELINE REVIEW IN A MEETING HERE AT COUNCIL, COULDN'T REALLY DO MUCH EXCEPT APPROVE IT. SO THE KEY IS, IS IF YOU WANT TO DO RIDGELINE REVIEW, WE GOT TO YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO BE WAY EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.

PROBABLY WHEN THEY START DOING A SUBDIVISION MAP OR SOMETHING. AND EVEN THEN THEY PRESENT THAT VISUAL, YOU KNOW, SIMULATION OF WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THAT'S AND SO IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC INTEREST AT THAT POINT, MAYBE THAT'S WHEN YOU PUBLISH IT IN THE NEWSPAPER SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO A TENTATIVE TRACK MAP AND LET MORE PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING.

BUT BY THE TIME THE BUILDING PERMIT COMES ALONG, I THINK WE'RE FAR TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT NOW. SPECIFICALLY, SEVERAL SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT SPECIFIC SITES, AND I THINK THAT MOSTLY THAT MIGHT BE A CODE COMPLIANCE CASE, LIKE THE ONE HOUSE THAT MR. ARNOLD HAD MENTIONED THAT WAS LIT UP AND WALLED OFF. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A LIGHTING ISSUE. AND I THINK WOULD THAT BE A CODE COMPLIANCE THING? YES. WE HAVE RECEIVED A CODE COMPLIANCE COMPLAINT ON THAT AND WE ARE INVESTIGATING IT. THANK YOU.

AND ONE THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE THE CITY IS NOT ALL KNOWING AND ALL POWERFUL. SO SOMETIMES THESE CODE COMPLIANCE OF THE CITY IS UNAWARE OF A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE UNTIL SOMEONE COMPLAINS. SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING AND IT BOTHERS YOU, PLEASE COMPLAIN. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT, BUT AND AGAIN, THE THE ONE WITH THE MUTED COLORS ON THE TOP OF TWIN PEAKS THERE TO THAT DEFINITELY I DON'T KNOW. IS THAT A IS THAT A PAINT COLOR ISSUE OR SOMETHING? YES, I KNOW THAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS FOR MUTED COLORS. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT, TO SEE IF THEY'RE CONFORMING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS. AND THE WHITE SHED. YES, WE CAN LOOK AT THE WHITE SHED AS WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS I SO IN THAT THE ONE THE HOUSE THE WALLED COMPOUND KIND OF DISTURBS ME IS THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILDLIFE AND HABITAT CORRIDORS, YOU KNOW, A BOBCAT ISN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO WALK ACROSS THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S WALLED OFF. IS THAT AN ISSUE WITH OR IS THAT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE? SO AS A PART OF THE THE TENTATIVE MAP APPROVAL PROCESS, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE BIOLOGICAL CORE LINKAGE AREAS AND ENSURING THAT WE'RE PRESERVING A CORRIDOR FOR WILDLIFE THAT IS PART OF THE

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ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, THAT'S EVALUATED CLOSELY DURING THE TENTATIVE MAP. BUT THIS ONE WASN'T IT WASN'T AN ISSUE ON THIS PROPERTY. I, I, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY I WASN'T HERE WHEN THIS ONE WAS REVIEWED, BUT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT AND CONFIRM. BUT THAT IS A STANDARD PART OF OUR PROCESS AND HAS BEEN SINCE OUR HABITAT CONSERVATION PLAN WAS ADOPTED. OKAY, SO I GUESS I'M NOT SAYING I'M FOR OR AGAINST JENNY'S PROPOSAL, BUT I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT RIDGELINE REVIEW, IT HAS TO BE WAY, WAY EARLY IN THE PROCESS, NOT FINAL BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION. SO AND IF, IF THE IF IT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, BETTER TO DO IT AT THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP STAGE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO INFLUENCE THINGS. AND SO MAYBE WE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, PUT MORE NOTICE OTHER THAN JUST THE 500, YOU KNOW, 500FT AROUND. AND. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. SO SO CODE COMPLIANCE, WHEN IS IT TOO LATE AND APPROVED VERSUS ACTUAL. SO BECAUSE AGAIN I THINK A LOT OF A LOT OF THESE THINGS CAUGHT PEOPLE BY SURPRISE. SO I'M SORRY I WENT NOWHERE WITH THIS OTHER THAN JUST STATING MY THOUGHTS. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME. TO DEPUTY MAYOR TED HOFF, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT HERE TODAY. THERE IS AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION DONE. AND JULI, I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND THE POWERPOINTS ARE GREAT. YOU KNOW, PICTURES ARE WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. AND IT DOES ACTUALLY TAKE ME BACK TO 2013. AS JENNY NOTED, BACK WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, WHEN I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THERE WERE, I THINK, FOUR PEOPLE THERE WHO WERE SPEAKING ABOUT IT. THAT WAS NICK STAVROS. BEFORE HE WAS ALL CAPS. THERE WAS D FLEISCHMAN. SO IF YOU GUYS LOOK AROUND THE CITY AND SEE LOTS OF TREES, I THINK OF D. SHE WAS PRETTY INSTRUMENTAL IN THAT JACK TRIP. I DON'T I DON'T HONESTLY REMEMBER JACK, BUT I THINK I WAS ONE OF ONE OF A COUPLE LETTERS OR EMAILS THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION. THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE THERE WHO WERE SPEAKING FOR IT. IT ACTUALLY SHOWED UP IN DECEMBER AND THEN WENT TO JANUARY AND THEN WENT TO FEBRUARY, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. OKAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE IN THESE EMAILS, I SEE A NUMBER OF THEM THERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WAS HERE 20 YEARS. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN POVERTY 25 OR 20 9 OR 30. AND I'VE GOT A VIEW OF THE HILLS. I LIVE IN THE HILLS JUST BELOW THE HILLS. BUT BACK IN 2013, WHEN I SPOKE, I'D BEEN HERE FOR THREE YEARS AND I LIVED ON FRAME ROAD, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THE PROTECTED HILLS, BUT I KNEW THEY MATTERED, AND I KNEW WHAT PROOF WAS, AND I KNEW THAT THAT MATTERED BECAUSE I WAS PAYING ATTENTION. AND MY MY DAUGHTER WAS SIX MONTHS OLD AT THE TIME.

BUT I GOT OUT THERE AND I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO LET HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED HERE TO GET IN THE WAY OF YOU GUYS SPEAKING UP, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE A VOICE AND BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN AFFECT CHANGE BE THAT BY MAKING THINGS BETTER OR BY KEEPING THINGS THE SAME, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN AFFECT CHANGE IS BY SPEAKING UP. SO BACK IN 2013, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU STRIP AWAY THE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT, FUNDAMENTALLY, IT WAS AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THE IDEA THAT RULES NEED REASONS. AND SO BACK THEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA REPORT AND WHAT WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING, THERE WERE 19 PRIOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF STAFF REVIEW, AND THEN THE COUNCIL REVIEWING STAFF'S WORK AND ALL 19 OF THEM, EVERY SINGLE ONE THAT CAME THROUGH STAFF. THERE WERE NO CHANGES MADE BY THE COUNCIL. AND TRUTHFULLY, I HONESTLY DON'T THINK THERE WAS REALLY ANY VERY MUCH PUBLIC INPUT EITHER. SO THE ARGUMENT THEN FOR REMOVING THAT RULE WAS THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE A REASON TO EXIST. THE STAFF WAS ALWAYS GETTING IT RIGHT. NOW, THE COUNTERARGUMENT TO THAT WAS THAT THE STAFFS, THE STAFF WAS GETTING IT RIGHT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF COUNCIL OVERSIGHT, SORT OF A CHICKEN AND EGG THING, AND IN EFFECT, MEANING THAT THE COUNCIL WAS LOOKING OVER STAFF'S SHOULDERS, MAKING THE VARIOUS DECISIONS IN THE PROCESS, SORT OF KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS. BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT'S NOT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. THE COUNCIL DOESN'T SIT OVER STAFF SHOULDERS. WHAT HAPPENS IS AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND WORKS WITH STAFF. THE STAFF DOES THEIR MAGIC, WHATEVER, AND THEY PRESENT THE FINAL PRODUCT TO THE COUNCIL. AND IT WAS LIKE A TEST. SO IN 19 OUT OF 19 OF THOSE TESTS, THE STAFF WAS GETTING IT RIGHT EVERY TIME.

AND SO, IN TRUTH, IT WAS REASONABLE TO THINK THAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY NO REASON FOR THE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL PROCESS, AS WAS PROVEN BY THE FACTS. AND NOW WE'VE GOT 23 PROJECTS SINCE

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2013, OR 22 OR 23. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE BOULDER MOUNTAIN PROJECTS WERE TECHNICALLY APPROVED BEFORE THIS PROCESS. THAT WAS THAT WAS NEW TO ME, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE PROJECTS ARE, WHICH I GUESS IS A GOOD THING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SORT OF PART OF THE HILLSIDE THING. MAYBE THEY'RE SUPER CAMOUFLAGED OR SOMETHING. BUT I'VE ALSO GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS. JOE'S COMMENTS, I THINK, WERE PARTICULARLY ILLUSTRATING OR ILLUSTRATIVE BECAUSE THE COMMENTS ARE BASICALLY I'M UNHAPPY AND I WANT THE PROCESS OF PUBLIC INPUT TO OCCUR. AND WHAT JOE'S SAYING, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SEE IS THE PROCESS DID OCCUR, BUT THE SAME, BUT IT'S THE SAME RESULT. AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE OF THE SAME THING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SORT OF LOOK AT THINGS AT A HIGH LEVEL AT THE COMMENTS AND THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS AND IT'S GREAT. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS AS YOU SEE TWO THINGS, TWO THEMES REALLY POPPING UP STRAIGHT AWAY. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE MORE INPUT IN HOW PROJECTS LOOK, AND YOU ALSO HAVE A STRONG DESIRE TO PROTECT THE HILLSIDES FROM EXCESSIVE DEVELOPMENT. AND THOSE ARE BOTH TWO THINGS THAT I FULLY SUPPORT.

AND I'VE BEEN OPERATING LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT SIDE SINCE I'VE GOT HERE, UP HERE. AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE SEEN MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR SPECIFIC PLANS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS. BECAUSE IN SPECIFIC PLANS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE HARMON RANCH PLAN, THE ROAD SPECIFIC PLAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUAL INPUT THAT MATTERS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN DENSITY BONUS PROJECTS. NOW LET'S SEE HERE. I THINK, THOUGH, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON WHAT IT MEANS. WHEN YOU SAY I HAVE INPUT, IT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON THE PROJECT. YOU CAN INFLUENCE IT.

YOU HAVE A VOICE. SO YOU'RE SO WHEN YOU COME HERE AND SAY SOMETHING, SOMETHING HAPPENS OR CAN HAPPEN. AND IN PRACTICAL TERMS, THAT MEANS THE INPUT OF YOUR VOICE IS IT AFFECTS SUBJECTIVE THINGS. YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE ESTHETICS OR COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDINGS OR, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED OR I APOLOGIZE, I FORGOT YOUR NAME THERE. I MENTIONED THE YOU KNOW, HOW A PROJECT FITS IN WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, VISUAL IMPACT. THESE ARE SOFT THINGS THAT THAT ARE NUANCED AND THEY REALLY CAN'T BE PUT DOWN IN OBJECTIVE RULES IN MY OPINION OR OBJECTIVE CRITERIA. OBJECTIVE CRITERIA ARE THINGS LIKE HOW TALL YOUR BUILDING IS OR HOW FAR SETBACK IT IS, YOU KNOW, AND BUT IF YOU ARGUE WITH THAT, YOU'RE LIKE, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ARGUING WITH A TAPE MEASURE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO WIN THAT ARGUMENT. SO TRUTHFULLY, I HAVE ACTUALLY NO PROBLEM WITH REVERTING US BACK TO THE 2013 RULES AT ALL. IN ACTUALITY, IN ANY TIME BETWEEN 2013 AND 2017. YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD MAKE ACTUALLY A LOT OF SENSE. BUT IN 2017, THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACTS, YOU KNOW, GOT JUST REALLY PUSHED THE SACRAMENTO PUSHED THE ACCELERATOR ON THOSE, YOU KNOW, WITH AND WORKING PRETTY HARD TO GET RID OF PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT'S SUBJECTIVE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS GETTING IN THE WAY BECAUSE YOUR VOICE WAS GETTING IN THE WAY. NOT YOU HERE PARTICULARLY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AND THEY HAD THINGS LIKE SB, YOU KNOW, 167 AB 678, 15, 15 AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE YOUR INPUT. SO THEY WERE PRETTY SMART ABOUT IT. AND THEY BASICALLY LEGISLATED ALL OF THAT AWAY. AND AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S REALLY SAD BECAUSE IT'S SILENCED YOU GUYS. IT SILENCED US. IT SILENCED EVERYBODY. AND IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD FOR FOLKS LIKE US WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? YOU KNOW, IT MEANS IF WE BRING BACK THE 2013 RULES, IT'S HONESTLY, IT'S GOING TO BE A LIE. YOU KNOW THE RULE. THOSE RULES SAY YOU HAVE A VOICE AND YOU CAN COME HERE YELLING, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. IT'S NOT NICE. IT'S NOT FAIR TO YOU GUYS. IT'S NOT FAIR TO ANYBODY TO DO THAT. BUT WHAT CAN WE DO. YOU KNOW SACRAMENTO. YOU KNOW I THINK THEY'VE, THEY'VE THEY HAVE LEFT US A HAMMER THOUGH.

IT'S CRUDE. IT'S UGLY. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FINESSE IN THAT. IT DOESN'T. IT'S NOT LIKE A SCALPEL YOU HAVE WITH SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA. IT'S IT'S OBJECTIVE RULES OR OBJECTIVE CRITERIA. AND WHEN ALL YOU'VE GOT IS A HAMMER, THEN EVERYTHING'S A NAIL. AND SO WHAT I CAN SEE FROM THESE EMAILS FROM SOME FOLKS, YOU KNOW, LAURA ALCORN, YOU KNOW, MR. ARNOLD HAD SOME GREAT STUFF. LORI GRENNAN HAD SOME A BUNCH OF STUFF THERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXCESSIVE NIGHTTIME LIGHT POLLUTION AND HOW THAT'S IMPACTING THE WILDLIFE ENVIRONMENT THERE. AND THERE WAS SOME GREAT EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED. THOSE PHOTOS ARE FANTASTIC. YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO EVERYBODY. I THINK IT'S COMMON SENSE THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM AND THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A GLARING ISSUE. AND IF YOU IF YOU GUYS RECALL WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, I HELPED TO WRITE THE CURRENT LIGHTING REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE USE IN THE CITY WHEN WE WERE SWITCHING OUT THE STREETLIGHTS.

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AND THOSE ARE BASED ON THE INTERNATIONAL DARK-SKY ASSOCIATION LIGHTS GUIDELINES.

AND THERE WAS A COMPROMISE. IT WAS A NECESSARY ONE FOR ME. I'D ACTUALLY RATHER UNDERGROUND ALL THE LIGHTING, BUT THAT'S NOT APPARENTLY A VERY POPULAR, YOU KNOW, POSITION. ACTUALLY, WOULD ANY OF YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A DARK SKY CITY RECOGNITION? WOULD THAT BE GOOD? A LITTLE BIT OF SUPPORT THERE. THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH PURSUING. OKAY. SO KEEP KEEP YOUR EYES ON THAT ONE. BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE THOUGH IS THE HILLSIDES ARE FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE FLATLANDS. THE LIGHT TRAVELS FURTHER, IT STAYS VISIBLE LONGER AND IS NOT IMMEDIATELY BLOCKED BY SURROUNDING TREES OR STRUCTURES. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION THE LIGHT'S TRANSMITTED, IT'S BROADLY TRANSMITTED BROADLY, AND IT CAN CREATE A REAL PROBLEM. AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE, THERE'S YOU JUST STUDY AFTER STUDY WHERE THIS IS IMPACTING OWLS AND BATS AND INSECTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GUIDANCE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THAT ADDRESSES THESE EFFECTS. CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, TRANSPORTATION. SO I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN USE TO STRENGTHEN OUR REGULATIONS, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO GLARE ON THE HILLSIDES. AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER SOME STANDARDS, LIKE THE BUG STANDARDS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY BACKLIGHT UP LIGHT AND GLARE. IT'S A READING SYSTEM FOR SHIELDING LIGHTS. I'M THINKING YOU ZERO FOR THE HILLS IF POSSIBLE. ON HILLS, YOU KNOW, 10 OR 15%, YOU KNOW, ON A GRADE A WARMER COLOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE 2200 KELVIN OR LOWER. SORRY, I WAS A MEMBER OF THE LOS.

ACTUALLY, I WAS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE LOS ANGELES ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIGHT POLLUTION AND, YOU KNOW, 1700 KELVIN. WHATEVER IT IS, I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THESE ENVIRONMENTS. NO DIRECT LIGHTING AIMED, OUTWARD LIGHTING ONLY AIMED AT THE HOUSE. SO IT'S ALL REFLECTIVE OR AT THE GROUND. THERE ARE SIMILAR RULES IN PLACES LIKE HAWAII. I'VE SEEN THEIR TURTLE LIGHTS. SAME THING WITH FLORIDA, AND I THINK THESE MEASURES COULD GO A LONG WAY TO GO, OR COULD COULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, NOT A GNATCATCHER, HOPEFULLY, BUT WITH ADDRESSING SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL VISUAL IMPACTS OF THESE. SO I'M HOPING THE STAFF CAN COME BACK WITH SOME OPTIONS SIMILAR LIKE THAT. SIMILAR TO THAT. NOW THERE IS ONE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM SEPARATELY, THE HOUSING ORDINANCE APPLICATIONS THEY DON'T OR HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT DOESN'T DEAL WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES LIKE THE AMAZON BUILDING. I WAS IN THE ROOM 2 IN 2018 WHEN WHEN THAT CAME UP AND NOBODY SPOKE AGAINST THAT, I WAS DEFINITELY THERE FOR THAT. THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO SPOKE FOR IT, AND I DO REMEMBER THAT THAT VISUAL THAT THAT CAME UP AND IT WAS BECAUSE IT SAYS TENANT ON IT. AND I REMEMBER NOT ACTUALLY PUTTING THAT IN A WORD, I THOUGHT IT SAID TENANT. AND SO IT SORT OF STUCK IN MY MIND. SO NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT ACTUALLY THE HILLSIDE ORDINANCE NEVER APPLIED TO THAT.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT, THAT'S TRUE. AND SO I GUESS THAT'S WHY I MEAN, AS CREWS, WHEN HE SPOKE, BOB MANIS DID NOT APPLY THOSE STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT APPLY TO THAT PROPERTY. SO YOU CANNOT APPLY THOSE STANDARDS TO THEM. AND TO BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT MORE LEEWAY THERE. I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE IF WE WANT TO HAVE ADDITIONAL NOTICE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT IN, IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS PARK, ESPECIALLY ON THE HILLSIDE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FACING SOUTH, YOU KNOW FOR PEOPLE TO TO SEE THIS I HOPE YOU HOPE YOU GUYS WILL SEE THIS. BUT ONE THING I WANT TO SEE FOR EVERYTHING IS I WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE HILLSIDES. I DO WANT TO SEE A VISUALIZATION FROM DOWN LOW, NO MATTER WHERE IT IS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. WHEN YOU SAW THE VISUALIZATIONS OF THAT BUILDING, THE AMAZON BUILDING, WHAT BECAME THE AMAZON BUILDING, THOSE WERE ALL FROM UP ABOVE, AND WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM GARDEN ROAD OR OR POWAY ROAD.

AND IF WE JUST LOOK AROUND THERE, THERE'S PLACES, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE COULD GET THAT TYPE OF STUFF. SO I'M HOPING IF WE DO THAT, YOU GUYS WILL ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE. AND BUT I REALLY WANT YOU TO ASK YOURSELF TRULY IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE IT TAKES AN EFFORT. BUT BUT I'LL TELL YOU IF IF I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOUR VOICE AND YOUR POWER MEANS SQUAT UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY USE IT. SO I'M HOPING YOU GUYS COME OUT. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. WELL, LET ME RECAP THIS ITEM SIMPLY ASKS WHETHER WE SHOULD ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF REVIEW BEFORE A HOMEOWNER CAN BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A HILLTOP. ORIGINALLY. RIGHT NOW, THOSE PROJECTS ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. IF IF THEY MEET THE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS. REINSTATING A DISCRETIONARY REVIEW WOULD CREATE A DOUBLE STANDARD. IF YOUR PROPERTY IS ON FLAT GROUND, YOU FOLLOW THE

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RULES. YOU GET TO BUILD. BUT IF YOUR LOT HAPPENS TO SIT ON A RIDGELINE OR HILLTOP PROPERTY THAT YOU BOUGHT LEGALLY OR HAS BEEN OWNED BY YOUR FAMILY FOR DECADES, YOU'D FACE MONTHS OF DELAYS AND THOUSANDS, IF NOT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN ADDED COST. THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT FROM A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS STANDPOINT, AND I DISAGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MAEDA ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS SOMETIMES SHOULD BE LESS SIGNIFICANT. PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE NOT. SOME MINOR BUREAUCRATIC DETAIL. THEY'RE ONE OF THE OLDEST IDEAS IN A FREE SOCIETY. THEY GO BACK TO THE MAGNA CARTA, TO THE FOUNDERS, TO THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF. JEFFERSON AND MADISON WERE CLEAR. GOVERNMENT EXISTS TO PROTECT PROPERTY, NOT TO CHIP AWAY AT IT. NOW, SOME HAVE POINTED TO TWO PHRASES IN THE GENERAL PLAN QUOTE PROMINENT RIDGELINES AND HILLTOPS SHALL NOT BE BUILT UPON AND QUOTE, BUILDINGS SHOULD NOT PROJECT ABOVE NATURAL LANDFORMS WHENEVER POSSIBLE. I UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE GET ATTENTION, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS THEY ARE DESIGN PRINCIPLES, NOT PROHIBITIONS. IF THEY WERE LITERAL BANDS, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE OR BUY EVERY RIDGELINE PARCEL. PARCEL WOULD HAVE HAD TO BUY OR REZONE EVERY PARCEL LONG AGO. GREAT. YOU WANT TO CHIP IN FOR THAT? PROBABLY BE ABOUT $100,000 PER FAMILY. POWAY HAS ALWAYS APPLIED THOSE STATEMENTS THE WAY THEY WERE INTENDED TO GUIDE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN, NOT TO VETO A HOMEOWNER'S ABILITY TO BUILD ON A LEGAL LOT. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER POWAY ALREADY HAS VERY STRONG HILLSIDE PROTECTIONS, SLOPE LIMITS, GRADING RESTRICTIONS, HABITAT RULES, FIRE CODE AND MORE, WHICH DICTATE WHERE PADS CAN GO AND HOW HOMES MUST BE DESIGNED. NOW, SEVERAL EMAILS SAID WE MOVED HERE FOR THE VIEWS AND THE UNSPOILED HILLTOPS. DON'T LET ANYONE BUILD UP THERE, BUT SOMEONE ELSE MOVED HERE BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT THAT HILLTOP AND THEY WANT TO BUILD THEIR HOME THERE. OTHERS HAVE OWNED THAT LAND SINCE BEFORE THE CITY WAS INCORPORATED. THEIR RIGHTS MATTER TOO. AND IF WE SAY THAT PEOPLE BELOW CAN VETO WHAT HAPPENS ABOVE BECAUSE THEY ENJOY THE VIEW, THEN BY THE SAME LOGIC, PEOPLE ON THE HILLTOP SHOULD BE ABLE TO VETO WHAT GETS BUILT BELOW. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? A CITY GOVERNED BY VIEW VETOES? DON'T MISUNDERSTAND. I LOVE THE VIEWS, THE HILLTOPS, THE RIDGELINES.

BUT THEY DON'T BELONG TO ME AND MY DESIRE TO KEEP THEM JUST THE WAY THEY ARE UNSPOILED CAN'T BECOME A REASON TO DENY A NEIGHBOR A RIGHT TO BUILD A HOME. PROTECTING VIEWS FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY ISN'T A LEGAL STANDARD. PROTECTING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS IS, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, ADDING ANOTHER BUREAUCRATIC LAYER, ONE WHICH STATE LAW GIVES US VERY, VERY LITTLE DISCRETION TO USE WOULD BURDEN THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH LITTLE LIKELIHOOD OF CHANGING THE OUTCOMES. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. PETER TOUCHED ON IT. STATE HOUSING LAW. THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT REQUIRES THAT IF A PROJECT MEETS EXISTING OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, THE CITY CANNOT DENY OR CONDITION IT BASED ON SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA SUCH AS PUBLIC PREFERENCE OR ESTHETIC OBJECTIONS. IF IT MEETS OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT OR RISK A LAWSUIT THAT WE WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE OF WINNING. ALL THAT SAID, I BELIEVE OUR EXISTING POLICIES DO THAT AND I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY REVISION COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR QUESTIONS, MR. PINCUS, I ACTUALLY I DO LIKE WHAT PETER HAD TO SAY. I AM INTERESTED IN THE DARK SKIES INITIATIVE AND THE LIGHT POLLUTION. I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT I WAS THINKING IS, YES, IF, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WANT TO OBJECT, THEY HAVE TO DO IT EARLY IN THE PROCESS, NOT WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S A PAST, THE POINT OF DISCRETION. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANKS. SO WE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MAEDA. IT WAS THERE ANY SECOND FOR THAT

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MOTION. WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO TAKE A MOTION OR ASK FOR COUNCIL CONSENSUS TO BRING BACK A LIGHTING? WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? SORT OF A DARK SKY INITIATIVE FOR THE HILLS? WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT A PART OF THIS ITEM, OR ASK FOR THAT TO BE INITIATED? ITEM.

YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN INITIATED ITEM FOR ANOTHER TIME. THAT'S NOT GERMANE TO THE TOPIC TONIGHT. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER THAT DIES FOR LACK OF SECOND. AND ACTUALLY JUST TO TO MAKE THIS CLEAN, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE EXISTING POLICY OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE RIDGELINE REVIEW AREA, REINFORCING THE COMMITMENT TO IMPLEMENTATION OF THE HILLSIDE STANDARDS. THAT'S A MOTION LOOKING FOR A SECOND SECOND FROM DEPUTY MAYOR TO HOFF. THIS IS A ROLL CALL VOTE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER MAEDA. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER PIKUS I DEPUTY MAYOR I MAYOR VOSS I. ITEM PASSES. WE'LL NOW GO TO COMMITTEE REPORTS. THIS IS AN

[COUNCIL COMMITTEE REPORTS and ANNOUNCEMENTS]

OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEFLY SHARE REGIONAL COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT UPDATES AND OR BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT CITY AND COMMUNITY EVENTS COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, OR THAT YOU'VE ATTENDED COUNCIL MEMBER MAEDA. COUNCILMEMBER PIKUS I HAVE A LIST. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY HAPPY 45TH TO THE CITY OF POWAY, AND I HOPE EVERYONE HERE HAD A CHANCE TO ENJOY THE FESTIVITIES BEFORE THE MEETING LAST TUESDAY, JUST BEFORE THANKSGIVING. CATHERINE AND I WERE HOSTED AT THE FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE ACROSS THE WAY FOR DINNER AND GOT TO SIT WITH THE THE FIREFIGHTING STAFF THAT EVENING AND HAVE DINNER AND ENJOY THE FAMOUS FIREHOUSE COOKING. THAT PRETTY MUCH A HALLMARK OF ALL FIRE STATIONS. SO AND I WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TELLING ME AGAIN, WHICH I ALWAYS BRAG ABOUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS CITY IS ONE OF THE THREE THAT HAVE CLASS ONE FIRE SERVICE, THREE CITIES IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE CLASS ONE FIRE SERVICE. IT'S A REAL ACHIEVEMENT. SO I WANT TO SAY I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT. AND FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHO YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ABOUT. WELL, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT ARE THE THINGS THAT KEEP THE CITY SAFE. SO THANKS FOR THAT AND CONTINUING MY THANKFULNESS FROM SINCE THANKSGIVING WAS LAST WEEK, I HAVE A FEW FEW EMAILS THAT CAME IN THANKING CITY STAFF, SO I WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND TO TOUCH ON THAT REAL QUICK. ONE WAS FROM MR. WHO SAID THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HELPED HIM OUT WHEN HE WAS LOOKING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, AND HE WROTE A VERY ELEGANT, ELOQUENT LETTER TALKING ABOUT HOW EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IGNORANT OF THE PROCESS, THE STAFF WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP HIM AND SERVE HIM. AND I GOT ANOTHER EMAIL FROM TRISH JOHNSON, WHO WORKS FOR THE WORKS FOR US, AND IT WAS ABOUT A, A CUSTOMER THAT WE HAD A TELEPHONE POLE FELL DOWN AND THEY WERE WITHOUT POWER, AND SDG AND E CAME OUT THE NEXT DAY AND WORKED ON IT ALL DAY. UNFORTUNATELY, THE DISPATCH WAS CLOSED WHEN IT WAS TIME TO INSPECT BEFORE THEY COULD TURN ON THE POWER, BUT FORTUNATELY. FORTUNATELY, POWAY CITY INSPECTOR WAS WATCHING HER EMAIL AND MADE SURE THAT THE INSPECTOR INSPECTION HAPPENED EVEN THOUGH THE DISPATCH WASN'T THERE TO ASSIGN IT AND THE POWER GOT TURNED OFF BEFORE OUR RESIDENT HAD TO LIVE WITHOUT POWER FOR ANOTHER NIGHT. AND FINALLY, THERE WAS A FEEL GOOD STORY FROM MR. SHAWN HOLDEN, WHO WROTE IN AND THANKED US, OR ESPECIALLY THESE PARK STAFF, THE RANGERS, BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS OUT OF TOWN, HIS MOTHER WAS WALKING HIS DOG AND SHE TRIPPED AND FELL AND A DOG RAN AND WAS MISSING FOR A WEEK. AND THE PARK RANGER STAFF WAS ON THE LOOKOUT, AND THEY COORDINATED WITH BABS FRYE FROM AWAY HOME FOR DOGS. AND AFTER A WEEK THEY FOUND HIM. AND SO THAT WAS A HAPPY ENDING. AND SO HE WROTE TO US, GRATEFUL OF HOW HELPFUL THE CITY WAS. AND, YOU KNOW, VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT THEY ARE HELPFUL. BUT MOST OF THE CITY STAFF DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CITY STAFF DOES HAVE A A SPIRIT OF SERVING AND A CULTURE OF SERVICE HERE. SO I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND I DID WANT

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TO ALSO MENTION THAT BABS FRYE DEFINITELY KNOWS HOW TO FIND A DOG. SHE CAN GET INTO THE MIND OF A DOG AND FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND WHY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT. SO IF YOU LOSE A DOG AWAY, HOME FOR DOGS IS THE THE FIRST CALL YOU SHOULD MAKE. AND CONSIDERING TODAY IS GIVING TUESDAY, I'LL PROBABLY HAVE A FEW HOURS LEFT TO GIVE THEM A FEW BUCKS. AND THAT TAKES CARE OF MY GRATITUDE FOR THE MOMENT.

I'M GOING TO SAY THAT IN THE FUTURE, I PLAN TO ATTEND THE KIWANIS HOLIDAY WITH HEROES NEXT THURSDAY ON THE THE 11TH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN THE MICKEY CAFAGNA CENTER. THE DAY AFTER THAT IS FRIDAY. SATURDAY THE 12TH AND 13TH IS CHRISTMAS IN THE PARK AND OLD POWAY PARK.

I'LL BE THERE SATURDAY BECAUSE ON FRIDAY I WILL BE ATTENDING CAROLS BY CANDLELIGHT ON THE 12TH, AND I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT IT IN A FEW MINUTES. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. AND THANK YOU. MR. DEHOFF. SO CAN I DO THE INITIATED ITEM HERE IN THIS ONE? OKAY, SO I'D LIKE TO INITIATE AN ITEM TO GET A REPORT FROM STAFF ON DOING EFFECTIVELY WHAT I DESCRIBED IN ON ITEM EIGHT FOR DOING A SERIES OF DARK SKY TYPE REGULATIONS FOR THE HILLSIDES.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. ME TOO. SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT. THANK YOU. I TWO HAD A DELICIOUS DINNER AT THE FIRE STATION COOKED BY THE CHIEF. IT WAS AMAZING. COREY AND I ENJOYED IT THOROUGHLY. REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND JUST GETTING TO SPEND TIME. I'VE YET TO BE INVITED TO DINNER AT THE SHERIFF'S STATION. COLIN. JUST SAYING. IT WAS GREAT THOUGH.

COMING UP A COUPLE WEEKS WEEKEND AFTER THIS CHRISTMAS IN THE PARK. IT'S ALWAYS AMAZING, SO BE SURE TO TURN OUT FOR THAT. PLENTY OF FUN FAMILY TIME THERE, SO MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE THOSE NIGHTS YOU STOP BY CHRISTMAS IN THE PARK AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN A

[CITY MANAGER ITEMS]

COUPLE OF WEEKS. MR. HAZELTINE, I WOULD ONLY JUST ADD THAT IT'S NOT JUST COUNCILMEMBER PIKUS MAYOR WHO HAS BEEN INVITED TO THE FIRE STATION FOR DINNER. I KNOW A COUNCIL MEMBER MIGHT AND HER FAMILY AND DEPUTY MAYOR AND HIS FAMILY BEEN INVITED AS WELL. SO, CHIEF, YOU'VE GOT MORE FAMILIES TO FEED AND I KNOW THEY ALL APPRECIATE IT. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO TYPICALLY MOST NIGHTS. ANYTHING FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. NOTHING TO ADD. MAYOR OF US. THANK YOU, THANK YOU

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Dec 02, 2025 City Council

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